How are we feeling about climate change, (can't be bothered?)?

Maybe I'm unenlightend, but I don't see how the current population is sustainable. We have finite energy and finite phosphate for fertilizers. Populations are entirely separated for food supplies. At some point, we simply run out of resources. Solar and wind power will not plow fields or run Semi Trucks to deliver food. We can slow this down with green technology, it doesn't stop the reality that we are planning a future based on finite resources.
 

Maybe I'm unenlightend, but I don't see how the current population is sustainable. We have finite energy and finite phosphate for fertilizers. Populations are entirely separated for food supplies. At some point, we simply run out of resources. Solar and wind power will not plow fields or run Semi Trucks to deliver food. We can slow this down with green technology, it doesn't stop the reality that we are planning a future based on finite resources.
A German Christian, (called "Christian" coincidentally), said exactly the same thing thirty or forty years ago, at a churches conference looking at longterm issues likely to affect humans and our planet!
He pointed to the moral failure inherent in using up the world's resources as though they were infinite, in order to create economic growth etc.! :(
 
A generation supposedly obsessed with taking pictures of themselves, or "selfies" and pursuing "bucket lists", "following their dreams", don't maybe give rise to much cause for optimism either, (if its true what's been said about them?)!
"We'll see hey", (though if the worst predicted outcomes occur, there will be no doubt who was to blame!). :(
 
I'm have to chuckle when people talking climate change refer to the internal combustion engine as the be all, end all problem. None of them ever take the time to research exactly all that is made from oil. Try just about everything in our existence. Sure, gas and diesel are always mentioned, but, what about all your plastic's? Not much today that doesn't have some plastic in it. Can these people live without their phones, plumbing, planes, trains, containers, appliances, precious solar panels, batteries, wiring, body panels etc for those electric vehicles? Hell no... it's only cars that are the problem. :rolleyes:
 
I'm have to chuckle when people talking climate change refer to the internal combustion engine as the be all, end all problem. None of them ever take the time to research exactly all that is made from oil. Try just about everything in our existence. Sure, gas and diesel are always mentioned, but, what about all your plastic's? Not much today that doesn't have some plastic in it. Can these people live without their phones, plumbing, planes, trains, containers, appliances, precious solar panels, batteries, wiring, body panels etc for those electric vehicles? Hell no... it's only cars that are the problem. :rolleyes:
The issue with gasoline internal combustion engines is efficiency. Depending on the engine, usage, manner of usage, the energy in gasoline being utilized is at best 35% and normally in the 25% range. Diesel is better at 40%. The rest is pollution into the atmosphere.

Thus climate change can be better served with more efficient energy usage.

As for plastics... that is a ground, water and sea pollution issue and should be treated separately from climate change issues.

Plant based "plastics" (bioplastics) are now being developed, with much shorter bio degradable life spans than petroleum, even in some cases in months.
 
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The issue with gasoline internal combustion engines is efficiency. Depending on the engine, usage, manner of usage, the energy in gasoline being utilized is at best 35% and normally in the 25% range. Diesel is better at 40%. The rest is pollution into the atmosphere.

Thus climate change can be better served with more efficient energy usage.

As for plastics... that is a ground, water and sea pollution issue and should be treated separately from climate change issues.

Plant based "plastics" are now being developed, with shorter bio degradable life spans than petroleum based plastics, but still in the 100s of years.
You are correct about the efficiency of internal combustion engines. I feel there should be more emphasis toward making them more efficient than just trying to rid the world of them. Plastics, now that's a whole other ball game. I agree that plant based is still somewhere in the far away future. Maybe more so if corporate has there way. Did you know that today's Plant-based plastic is a type of bioplastic that is created from agricultural scraps, often from corn, sugarcane, wheat or food waste. The term ‘plant-based’ refers to the source of the material itself, not how the resulting plastic will behave after it’s been thrown away.

But, there’s a catch! Only 20% of the ingredients need to be from renewable, organic materials in order for a plastic to be labelled ‘plant-based’. This means the resulting plastic could still be non-biodegradable and be made from up to 80% fossil fuels!

Not so green after all…
 
"What can I/We do"? Well for starters we can support politicians that are interested in finding solutions, rather than electing those that want to use deception and denial, in order to protect their fossil fuel stocks.
Before we can count on well intended politicians we must find a way to insure that our vote counts. First we need to be able to vote and then those votes need to be counted and not dismissed through some new state laws. Yes I'm worried.
 
well intentioned
I witnessed an unexpected aspect of fears about the environment in my local farm shop today, today when a lady and her two grandchildren were busy picking items to purchase.

First the grandmother was laudably trying to educate the ten/twelve year old boy and girl by telling them "to buy your vegetables locally, so there are less food miles", (virtue signaling I thought), and the two children kept trying to tell her to buy chocolate cake.

Then she placed all the items she'd chosen, plums, runner beans, pears, and so on, in the same bag all together, so when the farmer came to try to weigh the items he had to pick each one out from the mixed up bag full to place them on the scales, all the while the children wining about chocolate cake, and only to be told "I want doesn't get"!

Eventually all gets weighed, though not before she'd pointed out blemishes on two pears so the farmer has to change them for her, and she pays the £20 or so but she's not done yet, she has some more questions for him about some other foodstuff or other.

What a performance, and in the course of it everyone else waiting had lost the will to live, goodness knows what those kids were learning, to be just as big a pain as grandma perhaps, (they were nearly there already in my view, though they at least could grow out of it!).

"I blame all this fuss about climate change myself", (one week from COP26 :eek::oops::devilish::geek::alien:o_O:cry:)
 
Latest from Greta:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59022846

"Climate activist Greta Thunberg has told the BBC that summits will not lead to action on climate goals unless the public demand change too.
In a wide-ranging interview ahead of the COP26 climate summit, she said the public needed to "uproot the system".

"The change is going to come when people are demanding change. So we can't expect everything to happen at these conferences," she said.

She also accused politicians of coming up with excuses.

The COP26 climate summit is taking place in Scotland's largest city, Glasgow, from 31 October to 12 November.
It is the biggest climate change conference since landmark talks in Paris in 2015. Some 200 countries are being asked for their plans to cut greenhouse gas emissions, which cause global warming.

Ms Thunberg, who recently launched a global series of concerts highlighting climate change called Climate Live (Climate Live) confirmed she would be attending COP26. She said her message to world leaders was to "be honest".

"Be honest about where you are, how you have been failing, how you're still failing us... instead of trying to find solutions, real solutions that will actually lead somewhere, that would lead to a substantial change, fundamental change," she told the BBC's Rebecca Morelle.

"In my view, success would be that people finally start to realise the urgency of the situation and realise that we are facing an existential crisis, and that we are going to need big changes, that we're going to need to uproot the system, because that's where the change is going to come.""
 
The issue with gasoline internal combustion engines is efficiency. Depending on the engine, usage, manner of usage, the energy in gasoline being utilized is at best 35% and normally in the 25% range. Diesel is better at 40%. The rest is pollution into the atmosphere.

Thus climate change can be better served with more efficient energy usage.

As for plastics... that is a ground, water and sea pollution issue and should be treated separately from climate change issues.

Plant based "plastics" (bioplastics) are now being developed, with much shorter bio degradable life spans than petroleum, even in some cases in months.
While plastic waste is a separate issue, plastic production is a huge contributor to anthropogenic climate change.

Plastic pollution and climate change are not separate issues, but rather are closely linked in a variety of ways. According to researchers from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, plastic production and disposal resulted in 850 million tons of greenhouse gas emissions in 2019 and may be responsible for up to 2.8 billion tons by 2050. With numbers like these, it’s no secret that many solutions to the world’s plastic problem go hand-in-hand with solutions to the climate crisis.​
 
We can’t deny the climate is changing but it’s the cause that makes me wonder, there have been many cycles of glacial advance and retreat in the past. So I guess that means I'm a sceptic.
 
We can’t deny the climate is changing but it’s the cause that makes me wonder, there have been many cycles of glacial advance and retreat in the past. So I guess that means I'm a sceptic.
Let's forget the cause for now, as wondering about the cause for ever and a day won't do if you're wrong, and over reacting so far as reducing greenhouse gases won't be such a bad thing in comparison, should you have been right all along, (if you get my drift?)! :)
 
Nearly all actively publishing climate scientists (97–98%) support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change, and the remaining 2% of contrarian studies either cannot be replicated or contain errors. A 2019 study found scientific consensus to be at 100%, and a 2021 study found that consensus exceeded 99%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change

Some people just don't believe in science.
 
More on what we're all ignoring:

"The UN chief in a detailed reaction to the report, said that solutions were clear. "Inclusive and green economies, prosperity, cleaner air and better health are possible for all, if we respond to this crisis with solidarity and courage", he said.

He added that ahead of the crucial COP26 climate conference in Glasgow in November, all nations - especially the advanced G20 economies - needed to join the net zero emissions coaltion, and reinforce their promises on slowing down and reversing global heating, "with credible, concrete, and enhanced Nationally Determined Contributions (NDCs)" that lay out detailed steps.

Human handiwork​

The report, prepared by 234 scientists from 66 countries, highlights that human influence has warmed the climate at a rate that is unprecedented in at least the last 2,000 years.

In 2019, atmospheric CO2 concentrations were higher than at any time in at least 2 million years, and concentrations of methane and nitrous oxide were higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years.

Global surface temperature has increased faster since 1970 than in any other 50-year period over a least the last 2,000 years. For example, temperatures during the most recent decade (2011–2020) exceed those of the most recent multi-century warm period, around 6,500 years ago, the report indicates.

Meanwhile, global mean sea level has risen faster since 1900, than over any preceding century in at least the last 3,000 years.

The document shows that emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are responsible for approximately 1.1°C of warming between 1850-1900, and finds that averaged over the next 20 years, global temperature is expected to reach or exceed 1.5°C of heating."
 
I'm getting sick and tired of this whole thing. There's a lot of low level propaganda on TV with videos of young kids telling us what we should do.
In 10 or 20 years time, they will probably be getting married, wanting a new car, house, job etc.. and above all, having a good time.
I wonder how 'green' they'll be then?

I think I'll hibernate in my carbon intensive, meat eating world until this blows over and the speeches have been forgotten and the promises broken. Then I'll go for a foreign holiday.:devilish:
 
"I'm getting sick and tired of this whole thing"


From what I see and hear lately I don't think your the only one. Eventually the pressure cooker is going to blow it's lid......:(
 


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