How can anyone still believe in covid?

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PeppermintPatty said:
It’s sad that members can’t discuss a topic without getting attacked. This is supposed to be a non political forum but we all know there are all kinds of political threads. While I might not agree with everything on this thread, I am surprised with the amount of attacks the OP had to put up with.
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While I might normally agree with this, context is everything. The OP was/is brand new to SF and came at this subject with guns blazing, and was more than a little insulting and dismissive of our collective intelligence.
Tazx said:
So, reading these forums is shocking! Despite all the mountains of evidence that covid was a scam, and the vax was nothing more than a deadly human trial, I still see people posting about it like it was real, and scary, and deadly. How?
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Then he went on to make statements with no citations, never mind credible ones, to defend these allegations:
Tazx said:
4 years later we have enough evidence to show that; 1) not a single country can prove covid exists/ed, (see all the FOIR's), 2) more vax deaths and injuries than can be counted, 3) the hospital records in the many, many court cases are showing that they were full of vaxxed not un vaxxed (93%), and, 4) that masks, distancing etc was made up! Yet, people believing...
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Many on here had serious cases of Covid, and a lot of us lost loved ones to that virus during the past four years.
Tazx said:
But, funny on the CDC website, the US has anywhere from 32 to 40 million deaths per year from the cold and flu, but over the period of covid that number dropped to less than 150 thousand.
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32-40 million deaths per year from cold and flu? 10% of our population every year just from colds and flu? Umm... roughly 3.5 million (or 1%) of the US population dies each year from ALL causes, combined.

Did this poster really believe we'd reply with mouths agape, "Do tell us more, oh oracle of all medical, virology and epidemiology wisdom?"
 

StarSong said:
While I might normally agree with this, context is everything. The OP was/is brand new to SF and came at this subject with guns blazing, and was more than a little insulting and dismissive of our collective intelligence.

Then he went on to make statements with no citations, never mind credible ones, to defend these allegations:

Many on here had serious cases of Covid, and a lot of us lost loved ones to that virus during the past four years.

32-40 million deaths per year from cold and flu? 10% of our population every year just from colds and flu? Umm... roughly 3.5 million (or 1%) of the US population dies each year from ALL causes, combined.

Did this poster really believe we'd reply with mouths agape, "Do tell us more, oh oracle of all medical, virology and epidemiology wisdom?"
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Fair enough, I didn’t read all the content; just the last tail end but I trust your judgment Starsong.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
It’s sad that members can’t discuss a topic without getting attacked...
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Yes, a few members herein just like in the general public can't respond to much of anything without being emotional and name calling. However the majority of responses above though critical were not at all "attacking" and rather straightforward unemotional public criticism. And NO, stating a person posting on a web forum is possibly a "troll" is not an attack if their behavior reflects that. People posting in Internet communities and social media need to expect they will be open for public criticism. One needs to be emotionally stable enough to endure such.
 
I did not receive any MRNA vaxxes or boosters because I had taken monoclonal antibodies and there would have been a conflict. I did get covid, a mild case, and beat it. I knew my immune system was strong. Then I got covid a 2nd time about 9 months later. Still a mild case. I was surprised because I did have the natural immunity. I was told natural immunity wears off, which I do not buy. I was puzzled. Then about 9-10 months later I got covid a 3rd time. I am healthy and have a good immune system. I am more baffled now. Either the theory about natural immunity is inaccurate or the covid tests are baloney. I am still puzzled.
 
David777 said:
Yes, a few members herein just like in the general public can't respond to much of anything without being emotional and name calling. However the majority of responses above though critical were not at all "attacking" and rather straightforward unemotional public criticism. And NO, stating a person posting on a web forum is possibly a "troll" is not an attack if their behavior reflects that. People posting in Internet communities and social media need to expect they will be open for public criticism. One needs to be emotionally stable enough to endure such.
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I didn’t realize this thread was 8 pages long since I hadn’t read it. I’ve since changed my opinion. While I refuse to call the guy a troll , I do see that he was purposely ruffling feathers.
It does seem like he came here to stir the pot and leave.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
I didn’t realize this thread was 8 pages long since I hadn’t read it. I’ve since changed my opinion. While I refuse to call the guy a troll , I do see that he was purposely ruffling feathers.
It does seem like he came here to stir the pot and leave.
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It does. I only just now saw this too when I came on to see if there was any thread relating to very current headlines relating to an important jury trial in New York. That could certainly take on political overtone in discussion so just as well that there doesn't seem to be one. But I am happy it is over as I am with the verdict.
 
Olivia said:
What exactly is the difference between the flu and .Covid 19?, Isn't that actually individual free choices to make?
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What the difference is is a matter of biological and medical fact. We are as free to believe what we like about that to the same degree that the person in the locked ward is free to believe they are in fact Napoleon. But their belief has no more bearing on the fact of the matter than our individual lay opinions have on the legitimacy of the distinction between Covid and a flu..
 
MarkD said:
What the difference is is a matter of biological and medical fact. We are as free to believe what we like about that to the same degree that the person in the locked ward is free to believe they are in fact Napoleon. But their belief has no more bearing on the fact of the matter than our individual lay opinions have on the legitimacy of the distinction between Covid and a flu..
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Of course, that's what I said. I said "Individual" choices. Nothing to do with changing society or sending people to prison and testing their thinking. But my belief is that what individuals think about the differences between the flu and Covid 19 can certainly affect their opinions about the two viruses and how they decide what they individually should do about it for themselves.
 
Pinky said:
Frankly, it surprises me that people continue to argue the subject matter.
It's a personal choice that both sides should respect - period.
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Respecting people's opinions and choices , where they do not put others at risk, is one thing - people can have their own opinions and beliefs and make their own choices, where legal and not putting others at risk.

But they cant have their own facts - so if somebody says something clearly incorrect and presents it as fact - yes it will be challenged and disputed.

That goes for any topic.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
When I was a child I couldn’t get the small pox vaccination due to being fatally allergic to penicillin which was used as a stabilizer. Apparently they no longer use it as a stabilizer now but I have yet to know what it’s been replaced with.
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Small pox vaccination is no longer done.
As of 1980 smallpox has been declared officially eradicated from the world and there have been zero smallpox cases for almost half a century now.

One of the greatest medical acheivements in the world, thanks to worldwide vaccination programs.
 
For those that want to make other citizens think about the COVID-19 conspiracy theories, that could be mostly motivated by the current election cycle when most of us are not wanting to even listen to any political noise nor re-visit all that pandemic unpleasantness, is to have some troll post with an agenda. Though probably not, but for the sake of a wary open mind, could even be a sock puppet of someone herein of low respect that thinks they can make fools of the rest of us.

So toss out a question in that jokingly obvious provoking troll style (baiting their hooks) while trying to act like an ordinary new member, and then every time the thread seems to have run its course, is to have someone that agrees with the general political agenda, to toss out more general questions that recharge discussion. We are now on page 8. If some members whether innocently or knowingly, herein are playing that subtle game, then they might add a post like @Olivia just did "

What exactly is the difference between the flu and .Covid 19?, Isn't that actually individual free choices to make?"

Answering that opens up a whole new ballfield including all manner of individual freedom discussions. Of course, far far more informative is to go to any of many WWW Internet medical sites that will have pages of info. Even better one might go to virology article and or discussion websites. But then those specific simplistic question were not made, for other members to educate them but rather to open doors to engage them with more diarrhea.

The purpose of such a question can also be used by a political perspective to rattle off a set of canned politically party vetted answers like knee jerk action putting those baited in over their heads. That may the annoy the rest of us that long before left the thread alone but are annoyed by continuing to see it in the New Posts listing. So maybe every week one lurks briefly in at the end of the thread and seeing nothing worthwhile except usual games..
 
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Wow, go away for a few days and come back to this. I will answer some of the posts as one cause there is too many to do individually.
First, why is a person who had a belief opposite yours a troll, pot stirrer, agent etc?
Second, anyone that can not see the elephant in the room that is the injection and what it had caused is blind. Whether or not you believe is fine. To each their own. But if one actually looks at govt stats, you will see the truth. Look at uk, Canada, us, Germany etc and see the real stats. Way to many vax injured. To many birth issues, reproduction issues, clots, heart attacks, Turbo cancers and so on. Even the vax makers are admitting to a lot more. In sorry but it's there.
Third, people saying-i came i posted i left- what? Can't go away for a trip without being on social media the whole time? Really? Nothing better to do with my time than debate any of you! Lol.
4th, someone posted that maybe i should have made a intro post first. Ok, fair enough. I will go there and do that. But, let me tell you i have been in the know for many years working a lot behind the scenes hearing a lot of things that maybe i should not have, too know better that the world is not sunshine and rainbows. There are bad people out there that work for even worse people. People will lie cheat and steal to get ahead or cover their butts. No matter what your thought of me or anyone else is, get that head out of the sand, stop believing the black box on your wall or in your hands and start looking and thinking about things.
Last, i meant no disrespect to anyone in my posts. If you were offended- to bad- because it i never directed it so. But i have a right to my thought and to think as you have yours. If you lost people, sorry for your loss. But, that does not make what i say or anyone else say, wrong. Anyway i will head over to the intro page and get started!
 

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