How could this happen??

Just to be my nerdy self - at least 3 of the 5 photos in the article are unrelated stock photos. That makes me suspect the accuracy of the entire story.

Not saying it didn't happen; just saying it might have happened differently than reported ...
 
You should hear what they say about Tasmanians.

Seriously though...
Considering how slack family services get these days it's a wonder they were noticed at all.
Only just heard of this yesterday, they've covered it up well to keep the press off this long, it's an 18months old story now.

Aside from the genetic aspects, since reading through a few related articles the Telegraph has gone troppo with it. They haven't even posted real photos, reading below they are sourced as 'stock' generic photos of something that bears no resemblance to the real thing shown elsewhere.

In reality the 'depraved and disgusting' living quarters and surrounding yards are in a damned sight better condition than I've seen many suburban 'normal' people living in.

A block 30km from town on a dirt track with no electricity or running water. Well gasp, shock and horror. That alone doesn't make people 'neanderthal'. I know of many rural people today living exactly that way. They have tank water, septic toilets, generators, TVs fridges and flash 4WD vehicles. Big deal. These reporters need to get out more.

No contest that these people are ferals, but focusing on the 'squalid' conditions is aiming at totally the wrong point of the story surely?? a roo on a kid's bed? What if it had been a purebred poodle, or a ginger cat, would that have been okay?
OMG a couple of busted plastic toys laying about in the yard, bet I could find 5 yards with those in them within a short walk of here, in fact just across the road.

Pure hyperbole.

The hygeine, mental and behavioural problems are another matter entirely. The fact that they got this way over several generations would lead a better reporter to wonder why no one ever reported them, or if they were reported, why authorities didn't follow it up. It's no use hassling the townspeople now, it happened 18 months ago, they're just going to close ranks to protect themselves from Telegraph type headlines.
A quiet enquiry as to whether anyone informed authorities is what should be investigated. Surely someone did, somewhere??

They are descended from seriously mentally incapacitated forebears, but not seriously enough to know that they had to keep moving to stay ahead of authority. By the time it's gotten down to the newest generation not even that amount of cunning seems to remain. Is it much different to a weird cult? They just bred their own followers.

It's a good example of why a broad and deep gene pool is smart idea though isn't it?

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Speaking of which... incest was traditional among Hawaiian Royalty if things I've read are factual. They kept the line pure by mating brother and sister down the generations. So did the Pharoahs. How come they weren't all morons??

Makes me wonder now how much luck comes into small groups inbreeding. They don't all degenerate at the same rate so there must be faulty genes involved. If they're avoided maybe it goes better. This family apparently had more than their share of faulty ones that hastened the process through inbreeding.

Primitive man had no idea how babies happened and thought spirits put them there so how could they have had any concept of what incest even was?
There had to be a lot of inbreeding going on in small tribes.

Someone eventually must have twigged that it wasn't working well which explains why 'totems' were invented, even before religious rules about it. A totem was bestowed on a child according to it's mother's and it couldn't breed with another of that totem or certain others. That'd cover it wouldn't it? At least partially. Raiding other tribes for stray women helped too.

I knew someone who worked on sorting out Koori census forms and they don't, or at least didn't, use genetic relationships to denote relatives. They were totemic relatives and an Uncle or Grandfather or Sister might not be directly genetically related at all. Two full brothers could be 'uncle' and 'nephew'.
If you want complicated family set-ups delve into that one! It used to drive him to drink trying to sort out who belonged where and to who.

We've since 'civilized' them but considering their system worked perfectly well for 40,000 years, and among a lot less of them than there are now, they had to be getting something right.

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Just to be my nerdy self - at least 3 of the 5 photos in the article are unrelated stock photos. That makes me suspect the accuracy of the entire story.

Not saying it didn't happen; just saying it might have happened differently than reported ...

Sorry Sherlock, didn't notice that you had already concluded as I did from the reporting clues and spurious photo content that a certain amount of suspicion should be attached to the Telegraph's version.

...it's a bit scary that we think alike though.....
 
Thanks for the heads-up; and you two DO think alike!!! :D So, your news mediia hypes things up like ours here, apparently, only here, it's so much more so pertaining to politics.

Obviously, there was some inbreeding many years ago; even in our day, most everyone lived closer; knew each other, and married cousins, etc. But the level of neglect and filth stated in the article just took it over the top. In circumstances like that, surely someone would have noticed the children were dirty and probably would have been afraid or at least, very leery of strangers, I would think.

There are people here who have yards strewn with junk cars, and all sorts of things, but that's how they choose to live, and as far as I've seen, their children aren't filthy or neglected...of course, who knows what goes on in the backwoods around here?! OG has probably heard stories, too, as far as that goes.

I do hope the article isn't that truthful, as I'd hate to see kids brought up in that situation, and not knowing anything different. I'd also like to think that we look our for each other better than that....but again; I have to wonder at times.
 
Sorry Sherlock, didn't notice that you had already concluded as I did from the reporting clues and spurious photo content that a certain amount of suspicion should be attached to the Telegraph's version.

...it's a bit scary that we think alike though.....

That's all right, Watson - the game is afoot!

(Actually, I never understood that phrase - it's kind of creepy, having a game that's a foot! What, they didn't have Twister back then?)

The verbiage just - smelled funny, is the best I can describe it - and the picture sources confirmed it. Just made my Spidey sense tingle.

... maybe you and I were on the same totem. :playful:
 
Anne:
of course, who knows what goes on in the backwoods around here?! OG has probably heard stories, too, as far as that goes.

I think this is true of any rural area that is sparsely populated. There are people in these hills that live off the grid with no well, sanitation or electricity and roads that are only passable with 4WD's. In my area there is a mix of housing with some very expensive homes that may be down the road from a shack covered up in trash and junk, to everything in between.

This happens when you live outside of city limits where no code enforcement is present. Here you don't even have to have a permit for a septic tank if you own more than 10 acres.

I have seen several families around here, that in my opinion subscribe to the saying, "Incest is best." You know when you see them.

Some of the people in these hills have lived here for generations on the same land in shacks handed down through the years, and have never been more than 20 miles from home.

Also, there are many around here that have no interest in personal hygiene, and if they are within 5 feet of you in a public place and yes even doctor's offices you know they are there before you see them.

I don't think this is unusual to find families like this in secluded, rural areas throughout the country.

To each his own and if that's their standard, they're the ones living it. I do feel sorry for the kids living in these conditions. I believe incest should be strictly dealt with, as usually it involves minor children that are being abused.
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