How far is too far? (animal rights)

True enough. Lions are obligate carnivores and we (like bears and raccoons) are omnivores. I think veganism is great ethically and environmentally, I'm just not evolved enough as a human being to practice it.
I was 42 when I became a vegetarian, but eating meat had been bothering me for at least ten years prior, I kept seeing the former animal. I just thought I would starve and die without eating meat. I'm alive and well and healthier than many of my contemporaries at age 77. Not trying to change you or make you feel guilty, just commenting on your bolded sentence.
 

I was 42 when I became a vegetarian, but eating meat had been bothering me for at least ten years prior, I kept seeing the former animal. I just thought I would starve and die without eating meat. I'm alive and well and healthier than many of my contemporaries at age 77. Not trying to change you or make you feel guilty, just commenting on your bolded sentence.
 
I know that being a vegetarian would be good for me and the planet. I'm just not ready to take that leap, at least not until Dry January is over.
 

I know that being a vegetarian would be good for me and the planet. I'm just not ready to take that leap, at least not until Dry January is over.
Again, I'm not trying to change you, honest. You can only be a vegetarian if you're doing it for the right reasons, for health and/or for the animals. But, you don't have to do it cold-turkey or all the way. Go without meat once a week, then increase the days when and if you want. And above all, research the subject. Knowledge is power to make the right decisions for YOU.
 
When a species ceases to be beneficial (either a resource for food, labor, entertainment or companionship) they are considered to be at best superfluous at worse nuisance and man - being man - will hunt them until extinction. They become prey for the hunter.

Love sheep? Keep them useful.
 
When a species ceases to be beneficial (either a resource for food, labor, entertainment or companionship) they are considered to be at best superfluous at worse nuisance and man - being man - will hunt them until extinction. They become prey for the hunter. Love sheep? Keep them useful.
I prefer they die off rather than be subjected to continual abuse and pain. Animals ARE becoming extinct in big numbers, all due to humans in one way or another (hunting or loss of habitat). Eventually the only animals left will be those in captivity. And, eventually, when resources become too scarce to feed and water them and those resources are needed by humans, even they will vanish.
 
When is PETA going to send protesters to the Serengeti to stop lions from eating antelopes?

I dunno but I understand that they want to ban athletic team mascots because it belittles animals.

Also, calling a red panda the "lesser" panda hurts the creature's self-esteem. Furthermore, it's not even a panda but more related to raccoons.

How would you feel to be called "lesser" and on top of that some other species?
 
When a species ceases to be beneficial (either a resource for food, labor, entertainment or companionship) they are considered to be at best superfluous at worse nuisance and man - being man - will hunt them until extinction. They become prey for the hunter.

Love sheep? Keep them useful.
If what you're saying were true, there would be no rats, mice, raccoons or coyotes. No crows. No starlings. I could go on but won't.
 
I prefer they die off rather than be subjected to continual abuse and pain. Animals ARE becoming extinct in big numbers, all due to humans in one way or another (hunting or loss of habitat). Eventually the only animals left will be those in captivity. And, eventually, when resources become too scarce to feed and water them and those resources are needed by humans, even they will vanish.

Some species (e.g. tigers) are going extinct. Others (alligators, leopards, mountain lions, whitetail deer) are adapting to humans and even opening up new territories.

Your outlook is pretty gloomy. The human population will top out at about 9 billion. There will be pressure on some species but nothing like the catastrophe the most rabid environmentalists are forecasting.
 
There is some kind of misconnection we humans have with animals. We don't eat cow, we eat "beef". We don't eat sheep, we eat "mutton". Deer is "venison". Lamb is "veal". We feel a little queasy when we call it what it is. We want a "Disney" sanitized story of animals living playfully on the farm-and never going to the slaughter house. Yes, PETA is a bit fanatical. But yes ago, it was considered normal for six year old kids to work in factories. What is "far", and what is "far enough"?
 

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