Ya got me there. I faint 4 times/day with every insulin shot.
In fact, I have a special area in my house with a padded floor to avoid injury when I fall.
How many "shots" are enough?
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In fact, I have a special area in my house with a padded floor to avoid injury when I fall.
John cycling
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I've never had any of the shots in all my adult life, nor any other time when I had anything to say about it.
Also, I haven't been sick for quite a long time. I don't even remember when, and I never go to any doctor quacks.
Perhaps the clot shots affect reading comprehension.
"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." - - Albert Einstein
Also, I haven't been sick for quite a long time. I don't even remember when, and I never go to any doctor quacks.
Perhaps the clot shots affect reading comprehension.
The CDC has been telling different lies every time they go through a doorway, and you're quoting them?
"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." - - Albert Einstein
Personally, I don't consider drug company peers to be scientists, nor do I consider them to be credible.
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Alligatorob
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Its regularly offered here to anyone over some age, 65 I think. You should ask.
I got mine, its a two shot series, I got mine a year apart. I've never had pneumonia, hope to keep it that way.
One more shout then I'll shut up on this topic.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7947934/pdf/BLT.20.265892.pdf/
The official median IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) according to dozens of peer reviewed studies stands at 0.23%. Meaning, over 99.7% of the population is not under threat from covid. Stick that needle in your arm.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7947934/pdf/BLT.20.265892.pdf/
The official median IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) according to dozens of peer reviewed studies stands at 0.23%. Meaning, over 99.7% of the population is not under threat from covid. Stick that needle in your arm.
That's what I said. She did survive without the vaccine. I wondered about that.I've never had any of the shots in all my adult life, nor any other time when I had anything to say about it.
Also, I haven't been sick for quite a long time. I don't even remember when, and I never go to any doctor quacks.
Perhaps the clot shots affect reading comprehension.
Thanks for proving I'm not hallucinating. My cousin in NY recently died from blood clots. He'd had 4 shots. The first two and two boosters.
ElCastor
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There is something about the human psyche that resists impaling ourselves. A fellow Navy officer was standing in line waiting to get a shot for something when a guy at the head of the line didn’t just keel over, he had an epileptic seizure and had to be wheeled off on a gurney. Later in my Navy service I was in an ABC class. We each had to give ourselves a shot simulating injection of a remedy for exposure to nerve gas. The instructor told us he had a student who was reluctant to look and kept sticking himself over and over again because it didn’t feel right. A niece routinely faints when she sees a needle coming.
Alligatorob
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Thanks, that is a good article, one I had not seen before. However I am not sure I agree with your interpretation, what is says is the fatality rate is 0.23% meaning 99.7% of people who get covid survive. It does not count non-lethal effects, so some higher % are under threat of some ill effects. This is an average for all people, including both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
The article does not address vaccination, but this one does: COVID-19 Incidence and Death Rates Among Unvaccinated and Fully Vaccinated Adults with and Without Booster Doses During Periods of Delta and Omicron Variant Emergence https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm#T2_down . It shows that vaccinated people are both less likely to get covid and less likely to die if they do. Unvaccinated people are about 10 times as likely to die as vaccinated, so the 0.23% goes up and the 99.7% down if you are not vaccinated.
Both papers are helpful, both are well done and based on millions of people. Reading things like this will give us all a much better picture as to what is going on than listening to talking heads...
SeniorBen
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That's not what it means. It means if you get covid-19, there's a .23% chance that you'll die from it. In other words, about 1 in 400 people who get covid-19 will die from it.
But that study is from 2021 when the prevailing covid strain was a lot more fatal. The current strain isn't nearly as deadly.
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They wouldn't sell a single vaccine if they revealed that.
hollydolly
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I will ask, because it's certainly not offered.. and I did look it up, and it's free for over 65's, so given the fact that our NHS is fast going downhill I'm not surprised it's not been offered. The challenge will be to get to see a GP to be able to ask for the Jab
hollydolly
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what ?I've never had any of the shots in all my adult life, nor any other time when I had anything to say about it.
Also, I haven't been sick for quite a long time. I don't even remember when, and I never go to any doctor quacks.
Perhaps the clot shots affect reading comprehension.
Alligatorob
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The paper was published a year ago, and it wasn't the first. We have known for well over a year what the mortality rates are.
Alligatorob
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Yep that is what the statistic means.
For most public policy purposes this is an unacceptably high death rate. When regulating toxic chemicals EPA often uses 1 in 1,000,000 as an acceptable rate. For airline travel its even higher.
Alligatorob
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When I was in high school we often drew our own blood in biology lab (without teacher's knowledge). I never had a problem sticking myself in a vein and withdrawing a syringe full of blood all myself. Today I look away when stuck, not so brave anymore.
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Nathan
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I'm all caught up on shots,(Pneumonia,Shingles), except for some upcoming Covid booster. Kaiser isn't actively pushing it yet.
Will get a flu shot this fall.
Edit: to be honest, I thought I was in the Food & Drinks section viewing How many "shots" are enough?
I was going to say 2 shots with soda and lime now, and two for later....uh, 4 shots.
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ElCastor
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Maybe so, but the death rate for people who post to this forum isn't as cheery.
"During the Omicron Wave, Death Rates Soared for Older People
Last year, people 65 and older died from Covid at lower rates than in previous waves. But with Omicron and waning immunity, death rates rose again."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/health/omicron-deaths-age-65-elderly.html
And from a few days ago ...
"Both rural and urban America had fewer Covid-19 deaths last week, but the disparity between the two death rates expanded for the fifth week in a row.
Rural Covid-related deaths declined by 3.5% last week while urban deaths fell by 16%. That left rural counties with a death rate of 1.32 per 100,000, nearly 60% higher than the urban rate."
https://dailyyonder.com/covid-19-death-rates-dropped-3-5-in-rural-america-last-week/2022/09/15/
A new Covid vaccine has just emerged, and is worth considering -- particularly for people our age.
Packerjohn
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At my age, 3 shots is plenty enough; especially if I should be fortunate enough to be pouring, "Sailor Jerry." You young ones can continue and have more But you older ones better stop at 2. As for me, I think 3 shots does it pretty good. I don't "drink and drive" so 3 shots wouldn't get me into any trouble with those Officers of the Law.
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ElCastor
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Ah but Kaiser is pushing the latest Covid booster. You can sign up online -- began about a week ago, at least in California. I'm already scheduled.
As for the Flu shot, no Kaiser appointment needed, at least around here. Few days ago just drove up, got the shot, and left.
SeniorBen
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It's a hell of a lot more cost effective to provide vaccines than to treat patients who are sick with the virus. It boosts their profits, even thought they're a non-profit organization. I'm not quite sure how that works, but that's the way it is. They're making record profits these days.
Our son had covid 2 and a half years ago, he was very sick and there was no medical help for him. He thought he might die but lied to me about his fever. He hates getting shots because they normally make him sick but as soon as there was a shot for covid he got them including the booster. He said he never wanted to be that sick again. Then a few months ago we all got it, went to the pharmacy and got the home test and dropped one off with our son and DH tested positive, son tested positive, so I knew I had it too. We were so lucky we had all the shots so none of us got very sick.
Alligatorob
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No, not usually but I am not sure which of my posts you are referring to. I try to only quote or paraphrase things written by credible scientists published in peer reviewed journals. Many of these are posted on the CDC's website, but they are not the CDC's words, or written by CDC employees.
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OneEyedDiva
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My doctor finally convinced me to get the pneumonia vaccine before COVID hit. I never take the flu shot but after hearing my sister recount the horror of having pneumonia twice, I decided to go ahead and get it. It's two shots given a year apart. But guess what...that pneumonia vaccine doesn't protect against pneumonia caused by COVID! I also had no intention of taking the COVID vaccine when it first came out but decided to get vaccinated after my unvaccinated DIL died from COVID. It helped that many of my friends had taken the vaccine with no problems. Right now I'm planning to get the improved booster and that's it. I'll be depending on my immune system to take care of the rest.Recently saw a TV ad...for getting "the shot" to prevent whooping cough.
Hmm
what about the pneumonia shot...to prevent?
Do you?
ElCastor
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It's a hell of a lot more cost effective to provide vaccines than to treat patients who are sick with the virus. It boosts their profits, even thought they're a non-profit organization. I'm not quite sure how that works, but that's the way it is. They're making record profits these days.
Here is how it works …
“Why is Kaiser Permanente so successful?
KP closely coordinates primary, secondary, and hospital care; places a strong emphasis on prevention; and extensively uses care pathways and electronic medical records. By doing so, it provides its 8.7 million members and patients with high-quality, cost-effective care.”https://insuredandmore.com/is-kaiser-permanente-for-profit
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
SeniorBen
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No, I understand their business model. I don't understand how a "non-profit" can be earning record profits. It's an oxymoron of sorts.