How would you feel if you woke up penniless and given orders to vacate within 6 hours?

Murrmurr said:
National security is another reason. I've never heard of that actually happening....maybe during the civil war or sometime way back.
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Actually the government can cease most any land, including your home for most any purpose. Its done under the "Takings Clause" of the 5th amendment to the Constitution, which simply states "Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.". Lots of legislation and case law has defined what that means. I know from experience it can be fast and you have little to no recourse, except to try and get more money.

It happens all the time, one controversial application in recent years has been for state and local governments to take land for development and then sell it to private developers. People have lost their homes to help build a new mall... that kind of thing. Fortunately this doesn't happen to many people.

Eminent domain in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain_in_the_United_States

A great book on the subject:

Fire on the Mountain by Edward Abbey

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Mountai...rd+abbey+fire+on+the+mountain+,aps,127&sr=8-1
 

Alligatorob said:
Actually the government can cease most any land, including your home for most any purpose. Its done under the "Takings Clause" of the 5th amendment to the Constitution, which simply states "Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.". Lots of legislation and case law has defined what that means. I know from experience it can be fast and you have little to no recourse, except to try and get more money.

It happens all the time, one controversial application in recent years has been for state and local governments to take land for development and then sell it to private developers. People have lost their homes to help build a new mall... that kind of thing. Fortunately this doesn't happen to many people.

Eminent domain in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain_in_the_United_States

A great book on the subject:

Fire on the Mountain by Edward Abbey

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Mountain-Edward-Abbey-ebook/dp/B07H146LP6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1L2JB4GIXTTDK&keywords=edward+abbey+fire+on+the+mountain&qid=1683648963&sprefix=edward+abbey+fire+on+the+mountain+,aps,127&sr=8-1
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Read both books, I do not watch TV I read alot
 

Judycat said:
I grew up near penniless but we always had a roof over our heads. At my age I am tired, and going through the crap that goes with being that poor isn't worth the struggle of staying alive. Anyway, life goes on whether I'm here or not. If you think otherwise, you are only kidding yourself.
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Suicidal thoughts or tendencies are not good to dwell on, positive thinking is the best healing for any situation
 
Alligatorob said:
Was your home taken by the government under Emanant Domain?
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Not yet, but still fighting the no due process and damage’s inflicted due to this process of lowering the value, but the actual value is determined by the date of the eminent domain process and the conditions of the house and not the BS after to try and lower or run you off your property!
 
Gary O' said:

How would you feel if you woke up penniless and given orders to vacate within 6 hours?​


Been there

Learned long ago, I don't really own the things in my care
I just tend to 'em

All that I have can be taken away
This is the truth
Never say nay

Disasters and wars
can get in the way
Never say nay

What I had last night
can be gone today

No
Never say nay
Never say nay
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It is happening in great falls and I am a victim now with no recourse but to go with the flow of turn downs for legal help or leave with no due process
 
what you mean if,done the penniless bit,searching down back of sofa,for loose change to buy a loaf,never homeless,,i won through
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Having been broke, and almost homeless, I did what I had to do. I sold my possessions at flea markets for cash, so I could eat. I don't think that was heroic, or somehow fighting the good fight. If a car is speeding at you, you get out of the way. You do what you have to do. When a disaster happens, you either cope, or die.
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But is that do what you have to due at the cost of morals and ethics and at the cost of inflicting harm to innocent victims who are like you looking for a way forward
 
Alligatorob said:
Actually the government can cease most any land, including your home for most any purpose. Its done under the "Takings Clause" of the 5th amendment to the Constitution, which simply states "Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.". Lots of legislation and case law has defined what that means. I know from experience it can be fast and you have little to no recourse, except to try and get more money.

It happens all the time, one controversial application in recent years has been for state and local governments to take land for development and then sell it to private developers. People have lost their homes to help build a new mall... that kind of thing. Fortunately this doesn't happen to many people.

Eminent domain in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain_in_the_United_States

A great book on the subject:

Fire on the Mountain by Edward Abbey

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Mountain-Edward-Abbey-ebook/dp/B07H146LP6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1L2JB4GIXTTDK&keywords=edward+abbey+fire+on+the+mountain&qid=1683648963&sprefix=edward+abbey+fire+on+the+mountain+,aps,127&sr=8-1
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And I mentioned national security reasons because I vaguely remember talking about the civil war era in a history college class, about an entire neighborhood in a major city in Massachusetts that was evacuated so the US military could use the houses as bunkers and the courthouse as a headquarters. And this was after the British had taken it over first.

Or something like that.
 
Murrmurr said:
And I mentioned national security reasons because I vaguely remember talking about the civil war era in a history college class, about an entire neighborhood in a major city in Massachusetts that was evacuated so the US military could use the houses as bunkers and the courthouse as a headquarters. And this was after the British had taken it over first.

Or something like that.
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At first the Eminent Domain process was mostly envisioned as being for military necessity, however it was not so limited and its application has grown. I can see the need for it to build roads and things, but I think it has been too widely applied.
 
Katelivewire said:
the actual value is determined by the date of the eminent domain process and the conditions of the house and not the BS after to try and lower or run you off your property!
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That's true, you should get fair value assuming no Eminent Domain proceedings had ever been started. I think that is pretty well established law. And in some cases you should get relocation cost and other consideration.

I hope this works out for you.
 
StarSong said:
$125K in damage - and that was 30 years ago! We were quite close to the epicenter of the Northridge EQ.

Fortunately we had EQ insurance (most didn't). Most was covered but the deductible was somewhere between $20K-$30K, I forget the exact number. We didn't bother with FEMA.

Yes, we got it all sorted out and strengthened everything - tying the house more firmly to the foundation using shear walls, for instance. It could have been a lot worse... we were all safe and uninjured. Used our BBQ, camping stove, propane, sleeping bags and a tent. Also had plenty of stored water, food and batteries for ourselves and to share with neighbors until grocery stores were back up, running and restocked on basics.

This was my kitchen after we closed some upper cabinets, closed the fridge and did a little cleaning. Constant aftershocks were very unsettling, literally and figuratively. The rest of the house and garage were in similar condition. Furniture overturned, fish tanks smashed, contents of drawers, cabinets and shelves hurled everywhere.

We got through it though and came out the stronger for the experience. Our kids were 10, 8 and 8 at the time and remember it all quite clearly.

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Wow, that had to have been some experience. Good that you had insurance. And that you were able to reinforce your house, do you still live there?

In our case we also had insurance, flood insurance. And that is only available through FEMA. FEMA estimated our damages at $285,000 and the insurance paid about $80,000, so I guess we did get something from FEMA. Rebuilding cost more than the insurance, but less than the FEMA estimate. Problem is you can only do so much to a house to protect it from flooding, we were not able to raise it so the risk remained. We sold, in large part for that reason and exponentially increasing insurance costs. My house in 2004, that's me, fatter and less gray:
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Long story but back when I was a landlord we had to do a couple of evictions, for very good reasons.

One I remember best the lady ignored all the postings on her door and legal things. Then when the police arrived to serve the final notice she was totally unprepared. We stood back, across the street, and let the police do the eviction. She was out in 15 minutes, not voluntarily, she assaulted a policewoman and got arrested. With her in jail we worked with her daughter to get things out of the house, I felt very sorry for the daughter, but not for the evicted renter.

That was the day I decided to get out of the landlord business, did not have the stomach for it... Sold all my rentals within a couple of months.
 
Alligatorob said:
Long story but back when I was a landlord we had to do a couple of evictions, for very good reasons.

One I remember best the lady ignored all the postings on her door and legal things. Then when the police arrived to serve the final notice she was totally unprepared. We stood back, across the street, and let the police do the eviction. She was out in 15 minutes, not voluntarily, she assaulted a policewoman and got arrested. With her in jail we worked with her daughter to get things out of the house, I felt very sorry for the daughter, but not for the evicted renter.

That was the day I decided to get out of the landlord business, did not have the stomach for it... Sold all my rentals within a couple of months.
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She probably had no place to go. :cry:
 
chic said:
She probably had no place to go.
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No, she probably didn't. It was really hard, we let her continue to live in the place without paying rent, and doing significant damage way too long... As I said it was the trigger that got me out of the landlord business, not an experience I ever want to repeat.
oldaunt said:
All it really takes is to be a single woman alone, with a landlord who thinks he should have sleepover rights and gets even when you prove to him it isn't happening, and you could be homeless in very short order.
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As a former landlord I can tell you it does take some time to evict someone. In Florida the fast track eviction process could work in just a few weeks, but only if the renter was not paying rent and the landlord was willing to forgo any legal judgement for rent or damages. If the rent was current, or paid up after filing, the process takes longer. Here in Utah it takes longer, a couple of months at least.

I would hope a woman in that situation would report the landlord to the police, maybe making a recording first. Its extorsion at a minimum and maybe some kind of assault. Landlords like that belong in jail, the rental business is hard enough no one wants people like that...
 
Alligatorob said:
No, she probably didn't. It was really hard, we let her continue to live in the place without paying rent, and doing significant damage way too long... As I said it was the trigger that got me out of the landlord business, not an experience I ever want to repeat.

As a former landlord I can tell you it does take some time to evict someone. In Florida the fast track eviction process could work in just a few weeks, but only if the renter was not paying rent and the landlord was willing to forgo any legal judgement for rent or damages. If the rent was current, or paid up after filing, the process takes longer. Here in Utah it takes longer, a couple of months at least.

I would hope a woman in that situation would report the landlord to the police, maybe making a recording first. Its extorsion at a minimum and maybe some kind of assault. Landlords like that belong in jail, the rental business is hard enough no one wants people like that...
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Yes that is true NOW, but 25 years ago, it was not much like that in a lot of places.
 

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