I don't mean to offend anyone, just an observation.

Just an addendum to my post about the sixties. We came out in the streets in droves, in the hundreds of thousands. The media didn't get us out. We got us out, by word of mouth, by leafletting, by shouting if necessary. We made the story, the media was forced to cover our story. We were the original flashmobs and we didn't need social media to get the word out. I am including all the movements of the time, whether it be racial, gay rights, women's rights, anti war.

When we got together to plot and plan our moves we never once considered the media; we created our own story. I was privileged to be involved at the core of many such activities, so I have a modicum of real insight.
 
Some are discussing "media" as it was in the 1950s. That was when huge corporations owned the content and the airwaves. Today, "media" is anyone with a computer. While huge corporations are providers of the means of dissemination, the content is almost user driven, with multiple sites over an almost infinite range of topics. You don't like CNN, there's Fox. There's no longer "the voice of God" media-the "ultimate truth" media of the 1950s.
 

Society today?
You kiddin'?
Doesn't take much of a scholar to see where it's all goin'
Today's media is no help

We've lost our moral compass

Constitutionally protected liberty cannot be mistaken for an unrestricted license for individuals to do whatever pleases them

Sound familiar?

Genesis 6

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Matthew 24
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 
Pepper said:
You are totally ignoring the work and efforts of people like Martin Luther King Jr. and others who worked and died for these various causes. Are you calling them media created? I worked in some of these movements and media followed us, not vice versa. At SDS meetings we threw the press out, not welcome them in.

You don't understand these movements. I doubt you put any time in with them. Therefore your speculation is based on not knowing and I find it disrespectful.

Unless I'm not comprehending your OP.
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I appreciate your concern, is it not true that there were more African American TV shows and media promotions in the 1960s-1970s based on current events, social agenda and social persuasion. I mentioned African Americans, what about girl power and women's rights? You can't tell me it was an accident or a coincidence that the Cosby Show, Hard Times and All in the Family just happened to appear out of now where. There was a time when same sex attraction was less tolerated by society and the media than it is today. If you think the government has nothing to do with movie and tv programing you are very mistaken.
 
Mr. Ed said:
If you think the government has nothing to do with movie and tv programing you are very mistaken.
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Never said no to that, but I doubt Norman Lear is a government plant. Cosby Show was much later than All in the Family and I never heard of Hard Times.
 
HoneyNut said:
Before I retired a lot of my coworkers were from different countries and they were always so surprised that I had no idea of big events happening in other countries. Somehow that doesn't show up much in the news that I see. About a month after the war in Ukraine started when the news seemed to drop it, my daughter surprised me because she thought it was over.
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I keep up with the war in Ukraine daily on YouTube. There's tons of excellent reporting there.

But I wonder if the news that you see isn't reporting on it because of how much money the US is spending on it. Although, Zelenskyy's recent visit to the White House and his speech in Congress were televised live on all major news channels (and YouTube), and that was all about US support/money.

Slava Ukraini 👍
 
Murrmurr said:
I keep up with the war in Ukraine daily on YouTube. There's tons of excellent reporting there.

But I wonder if the news that you see isn't reporting on it because of how much money the US is spending on it.
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I am a news watcher and personally see NO opposition to Ukraine support from the Right. Russia and China are a threat. China may invade Taiwan at any time and Russia would like nothing more than to re-create it‘s old Soviet empire. Our support of Ukraine is essential if Putin‘s plans are to be halted. I believe the Right is well aware of that, and would like to see our support of Ukraine continue and ideally increased. Money well spent.
 
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ElCastor said:
Where? When an instrument of the media reports a frequent claim from the powers that be that the border is secure and declines to challenge an obvious falsehood.
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What is this "instrument of the media" of which you speak and what is your proof that the border isn't secure, meaning people are sneaking in undetected? I'm not saying they're not, but where is your proof? And what should be done about it? Obviously, a fence isn't going to help when it's porous. We'd need a wall like the Great Wall of China with armed guards to prevent people from sneaking in.
 
ElCastor said:
I am a news watcher and personally see NO opposition to Ukraine support from the Right. Russia and China are a threat. China may invade Taiwan at any time and Russia would like nothing more than to re-create it‘s old Soviet empire. Our support of Ukraine is essential if Putin‘s plans are to be halted. I believe the Right is well aware of that, and would like to see our support of Ukraine continue and ideally increased. Money well spent.
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I agree 100%. In fact I think it would be foolish for either party to oppose support for Ukraine, and the prez was adamant about continuing support in every way possible for as long as it takes.
 
ElCastor said:
I am a news watcher and personally see NO opposition to Ukraine support from the Right. Russia and China are a threat. China may invade Taiwan at any time and Russia would like nothing more than to re-create it‘s old Soviet empire. Our support of Ukraine is essential if Putin‘s plans are to be halted. I believe the Right is well aware of that, and would like to see our support of Ukraine continue and ideally increased. Money well spent.
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I get most of my news from print media, which shows support for Putin on the Right. Here's just one instance. You can find many more.

House Republican Freedom Caucus members such as Paul Gosar, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Scott Perry – who in May voted with 54 other Republican members against a $40bn aid package for Ukraine, and have raised other concerns about the war – have proved useful, though perhaps unwitting, Kremlin allies at times.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/06/us-conservatives-pushing-russian-spin-ukraine-war
 
SeniorBen said:
I get most of my news from print media, which shows support for Putin on the Right. Here's just one instance. You can find many more.

House Republican Freedom Caucus members such as Paul Gosar, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Scott Perry – who in May voted with 54 other Republican members against a $40bn aid package for Ukraine, and have raised other concerns about the war – have proved useful, though perhaps unwitting, Kremlin allies at times.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/06/us-conservatives-pushing-russian-spin-ukraine-war
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On the other hand ...

"GOP Rep. McCaul praises amount of money being sent to Ukraine to fight Russia and urges more​

McCaul, the incoming chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, laid extensive praise on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an appearance on CNN. He particularly praised Zelensky's speech in front of Congress on Wednesday and went on to draw parallels with World War II, comparing Russia's invasion of Ukraine to Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland and arguing that the United States actually needs to send more money to Ukraine.
He added that "freedom and democracy" are under threat. ....
"McCaul's sentiment is almost in lockstep with that of most of his Republican colleagues in Congress, with the exception of some dissenters, such as Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Chip Roy (R-TX) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who have all criticized aid to Ukraine in some way. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called U.S. aid to Ukraine the Republicans' "top priority" earlier this week."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ne-to-fight-russia-and-urges-more/ar-AA15A6eM

Needless to say, I am in complete agreement with McCaul.

This discussion is getting political. I suggest we leave it here.
 
ElCastor said:
On the other hand ...

"GOP Rep. McCaul praises amount of money being sent to Ukraine to fight Russia and urges more​

McCaul, the incoming chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, laid extensive praise on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an appearance on CNN. He particularly praised Zelensky's speech in front of Congress on Wednesday and went on to draw parallels with World War II, comparing Russia's invasion of Ukraine to Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland and arguing that the United States actually needs to send more money to Ukraine.
He added that "freedom and democracy" are under threat. ....
"McCaul's sentiment is almost in lockstep with that of most of his Republican colleagues in Congress, with the exception of some dissenters, such as Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Chip Roy (R-TX) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who have all criticized aid to Ukraine in some way. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called U.S. aid to Ukraine the Republicans' "top priority" earlier this week."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ne-to-fight-russia-and-urges-more/ar-AA15A6eM

Needless to say, I am in complete agreement with McCaul.

This discussion is getting political. I suggest we leave it here.
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Over 20% of the party to which you're referring, in both Houses, supports Putin's invasion of Ukraine. I agree, we should leave it there as we're getting close to violating SF's rules.
 
Pepper said:
You are totally ignoring the work and efforts of people like Martin Luther King Jr. and others who worked and died for these various causes. Are you calling them media created? I worked in some of these movements and media followed us, not vice versa. At SDS meetings we threw the press out, not welcome them in.

You don't understand these movements. I doubt you put any time in with them. Therefore your speculation is based on not knowing and I find it disrespectful.

Unless I'm not comprehending your OP.
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I get the impression Mr. Ed is referring to how the media portrays things. I could be wrong....I hope I'm not.
 

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