I Have a Herberdens Node

[hearlady]

On the top joint of my left index finger. It came up after I went off the Fossamax. I do have arthritis in both my index fingers but this node is new. I looked up Fossamax and sure enough it is a symptom but who could be sure if it wouldn't have come up anyway.
Its been more of a nuisance. I only feel it when I push on something with that finger however with all this sewing it is bothering. I had to pull on fabric and stretch to fit and that was kind of painful.
Anyone else have this?

 

[hollydolly]

yes I have them all fingers on my right hand.. and 3 fingers on my left because I have Osteoarthritis in my joints.. they are the arthritic lumps on the joints ( knuckles) nearest your finger nails.... I'm fortunate that altho' mine are painful they're not yet really ugly to other people.. and also fortunate I don't have arthritis yet in my other knuckles so no Bouchards' Nodes.. hopefully never ..I do tho' have OA in the CMC joint, which can be very painful at times

 

[hearlady]

Wow, so you know what I'm talking about. Mine is not noticeable unless I pointed it out.
I feel like I'm getting one on the right index finger also.
I'd never heard of them.

 

[hollydolly]

Wow, so you know what I'm talking about. Mine is not noticeable unless I pointed it out.
I feel like I'm getting one on the right index finger also.
I'd never heard of them.

it is usually what people refer to when they say they have arthritis in their fingers......some peoople are unlucky enough to get both sets , and have terrible pain in all their fingers... mine are definitely noticeable... ''witchy fingers'' is what my not so subtle Doctor calls this type of arthritis...

My hands are ugly because of the knuckle sweelings.. but not nearly as bad as some people.. which I'm grateful for , but just this week, my middle finger on my left hand was stiging and sore, and I literally could see the bone swelling... both sides... and just a week ago there was nothing on that finger.. the pity is what's it's swollen and inflaned, it can never go back..

 

[Kaila]

I've seen them on another person, not myself.
They're very pronounced.
He's never taken fossomax,btw.

 

[katlupe]

Can you get them on your pinkie? Both of my pinkies are bent with a bump beneath the nail.

 

[hollydolly]

Can you get them on your pinkie? Both of my pinkies are bent with a bump beneath the nail.

absolutely you can but the swelling has to be on your knuckle next to your nail to be an HN ...essentially what isis the bone spur, where the bone has become inflamed and has actually grown... this is why nothing can reapir them...

Some people get them due to intolerence of certain foods.. I find if I eat sugar..( sweets ).. then my fingers are very painful..so sugar is a big enemy of Osteoarthritis and will often cause the inflamation that creates the swelling and the bone spurs on the knuckles
this is someone with painful HN whose fingers are very disabled by it

I think we've all seen older people like this at some point


sometimes only one or 2 fingers are affected badly

sometimes people get it like this...it's rare ..but it happens

the next picture are not my fingers but this is the level of OA ..and Herberdens Nodes on my fingers currently..

 

[hearlady]

I've seen them on another person, not myself.
They're very pronounced.
He's never taken fossomax,btw.

Yeah. I am not convinced Fossamax caused it. It sounds like its part of arthritis.

 

[hollydolly]

Yeah. I am not convinced Fossamax caused it. It sounds like its part of arthritis.

it is totally osteoarthrtis, it's just arthritis of the first knuckle on you hands


To save me typing it all out and making typing errors because of the pain in my fingers..I've copied this for you...


Heberden's nodes, which are bony growths on the finger joints closest to the fingertips, are specifically associated with osteoarthritis of the hand and do not occur in other locations of the body. While osteoarthritis can affect other joints, such as the knee, hip, and shoulder, Heberden's nodes are a characteristic feature of osteoarthritis affecting the distal interphalangeal (DIP) joints of the fingers.



Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Heberden's nodes are a specific type of bony growth:
  They are firm, bony enlargements that develop on the DIP joints, which are the joints closest to the fingernails.
  

• They are a sign of osteoarthritis:
  They are a common manifestation of osteoarthritis, particularly in the hand.
  
  
• Not found in other joints:
  While osteoarthritis can affect various joints, Heberden's nodes are not found in other locations like the knee, hip, or shoulder.
  
  
• Bouchard's nodes are different:
  Similar bony growths, called Bouchard's nodes, can occur on the proximal interphalangeal (PIP) joints, which are the middle joints of the fingers.
  
  
• Other locations for OA:
  Osteoarthritis can affect other joints, but the specific bony growths associated with it in those locations are not called Heberden's nodes.
  

 

[hearlady]

it is totally osteoarthrtis, it's just arthritis of the first knuckle on you hands


To save me typing it all out and making typing errors because of the pain in my fingers..I've copied this for you...


Heberden's nodes, which are bony growths on the finger joints closest to the fingertips, are specifically associated with osteoarthritis of the hand and do not occur in other locations of the body. While osteoarthritis can affect other joints, such as the knee, hip, and shoulder, Heberden's nodes are a characteristic feature of osteoarthritis affecting the distal interphalangeal (DIP) joints of the fingers.



Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Heberden's nodes are a specific type of bony growth:
  They are firm, bony enlargements that develop on the DIP joints, which are the joints closest to the fingernails.

• 
  
• They are a sign of osteoarthritis:
  They are a common manifestation of osteoarthritis, particularly in the hand.
  
  
• 
  
• Not found in other joints:
  While osteoarthritis can affect various joints, Heberden's nodes are not found in other locations like the knee, hip, or shoulder.
  
  
• 
  
• Bouchard's nodes are different:
  Similar bony growths, called Bouchard's nodes, can occur on the proximal interphalangeal (PIP) joints, which are the middle joints of the fingers.
  
  
• 
  
• Other locations for OA:
  Osteoarthritis can affect other joints, but the specific bony growths associated with it in those locations are not called Heberden's nodes.

Thanks. I have osteoporosis so the two are likely related.

 

[hollydolly]

Thanks. I have osteoporosis so the two are likely related.

probably not HL... however AI says this....


Relationship:
While Heberden's nodes are directly linked to OA, and not osteoporosis, some studies suggest a possible association between OA and decreased bone mineral density in certain cases, particularly in severe OA of the hips and knees. However, this does not mean that Heberden's nodes are a direct sign of osteoporosis.

• Key Difference:
  Osteoarthritis is a joint disease causing cartilage breakdown and bony growths like Heberden's nodes, while osteoporosis is a disease of bone density and strength.
  

 

[Kaila]

I think that a person could also have both, osteoarthritis and osteoporosis.

 

[hollydolly]

I think that a person could also have both, osteoarthritis and osteoporosis.

Oh yes of course, that's not what's being said.... it's saying Osteoporosis doesn't cause Herberdens' Nodes.... because it's arthritic.., it's caused by Osteoarthritis, which is what I have...

 

[Kaila]

Okay, thank you for the clarification,
@hollydolly

I agree that makes sense!

 

[chic]

it is usually what people refer to when they say they have arthritis in their fingers......some peoople are unlucky enough to get both sets , and have terrible pain in all their fingers... mine are definitely noticeable... ''witchy fingers'' is what my not so subtle Doctor calls this type of arthritis...

My hands are ugly because of the knuckle sweelings.. but not nearly as bad as some people.. which I'm grateful for , but just this week, my middle finger on my left hand was stiging and sore, and I literally could see the bone swelling... both sides... and just a week ago there was nothing on that finger.. the pity is what's it's swollen and inflaned, it can never go back..

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is there anything topical you could apply that would help them in any way?

 

[hollydolly]

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is there anything topical you could apply that would help them in any way?

yes there's various topical pain killing potions. but nothing that would take it away .. because it's essentially new bone that grown.. but it can't grow longer in your fingers so it grows sideways basically.. so nothing can make that go away again...