I saw an XL Bully today

Dogs are wonderful companions for us. There are so many lovely friendly harmless types you can get. I love dogs in general but not big dangerous ones. My own is a mixture, small and very loving.
 

The dog with a muzzle on is kind of telling.

I worked with a woman who got a large muscular dog as a rescue from some people. The male dog was not neutered and if she took it for a walk in her not so great neighborhood, people approached her wanting to breed their dog with that male. She got the dog neutered after a few months and would just say 'sorry he's fixed' after that.

She said the only problem with the dog was if anyone broke in, the dog would just lick and slobber the thief, the dog was very good natured.
 
Remy said:
The dog with a muzzle on is kind of telling.

I worked with a woman who got a large muscular dog as a rescue from some people. The male dog was not neutered and if she took it for a walk in her not so great neighborhood, people approached her wanting to breed their dog with that male. She got the dog neutered after a few months and would just say 'sorry he's fixed' after that.

She said the only problem with the dog was if anyone broke in, the dog would just lick and slobber the thief, the dog was very good natured.
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the law in the Uk says that owners of American XL bully dogs must have their dogs muzzled and on lead when outside... those that don't comply will have their dogs put down...

''XL Bully-type dogs have been officially banned in England and Wales. Starting from 1 February 2024, ownership will be illegal unless an exemption has been applied for and granted. They must also be on a lead and muzzled when in public. The law to sell, breed from, abandon, or give away an XL Bully came into force on 31 December 2023.


If an XL Bully is less than a year old by 31 January 2024, it needs to be neutered by the end of 2024. If older, neutering must be done by 30 June. Owners therefore have until 31 January 2024 to apply for a Certificate of Exemption or to have their dogs euthanised, for which they can claim £200 compensation. ''
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I wish people would stop mixing them up with Staffy's.. they're not staffy's ...



''The American Bully got recognition as a breed from US United Kennel Club in 2013.


It's been called a "natural extension" of the better-known American Pit Bull Terrier.


The muscular dogs have been crossbred with other breeds including English Bulldogs, Olde English Bulldogs, and American Bulldogs.''
 

Rose65 said:
So why do people need a protection dog?
Ordinary people, even women, with no business premises or such that need guarding, are walking around with powerful dogs. Is it a form of inadequacy being made up for by owning a dog with a magnificent physique? Like small weak men owning big powerful cars. Certain breeds of dogs are a loaded gun. There is an unspoken wish for respect from everyone through spreading fear. I find that repulsive.

Do such people really want these dogs to tear another human being apart? A grandmother, a child?
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Rose65 said:
True. In the UK we have no real self defence weapons.
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This is a thought after reading your post. Do you think that some people may feel this is their only option to defend themselves is to own a dog? Not just a pitbull, but any dog. You said there is no real self-defense weapons.

What is someone supposed to use to protect themselves, their family & home from the bad guys? I'm not familiar with U.K. law, so I don't know what options a law abiding citizen has against the thugs who would kill or maim them & theirs. Aren't they allowed to stand up for themselves against the criminal or do they have to allow themselves to be hurt or worse killed?

Is it really about someone who feels inadequate OR do they feel the system can't protect them & theirs should the need arise for protection? Some may worry they have no other means available to protect themselves against the thugs. Doesn't the everyday man, business owner or not, no longer have a right to protect themselves & those they love?

Now, thugs will be thugs & will do whatever to dogs to make them vicious for their own benefits & that is nothing short of animal abuse. But thugs don't care. However, to label all pitbull owners as thugs (among other things) & call their animals loaded weapons when they aren't vicious isn't fair. I've been around enough pitbulls to know they all aren't bad as you say or think.
 
I don't know how anyone gets (or if they can get it, how they afford it) homeowners insurance with that kind of dog. I know when we bought this house, we were transferring the homeowners insurance over to it and we had to sign a statement that we didn't have one of the banned breeds. I'm not sure what would have happened if we did have one, whether they would turn us down for insurance or charge us some ungodly rate.

It's really hard to find a landlord willing to rent to anyone with those dogs. Unfortunately, it could leave the landlord also liable to be sued if the dog injures anyone.

The years we were travelling around the country and staying in RV parks, there was almost always a list of prohibited breeds. It was usually pits, pit mixes, dobies, rottweilers, chows, German Shepherds, and a few others.

It seems that the dog of choice for drug dealers these days are Presa Canarios, which are especially large pit-type dogs.

I've only been closely involved with one pit bull where I was around him frequently. Fortunately, he was a big slobbering sweet doofus of a dog who thought he was a lap poodle. That being said, I still would have not wanted him around a child.

If I ever get a dog again, it's going to be a Chihuahua. I won't have to walk it.....I'll just hold it out a window and squeeze. Badda-bing.
 
Like you @Jules, I don't go around living in fear either out in public or at my home. I also don't fear coming in contact with people who are out walking their dog no matter what size/type it is.

With that being said, there are people who are fearful of things (not including dogs this time) they or someone close to them experienced, what may have taken place in their neighborhood or just listening to news reports of bad happenings all over the world. Depending on where they live, a dog may be their only option.

A dog doesn't need to be mean to be protective, he just needs to be able to bark & sell the proverbial wolf ticket.
 
Lilac said:
This is a thought after reading your post. Do you think that some people may feel this is their only option to defend themselves is to own a dog? Not just a pitbull, but any dog. You said there is no real self-defense weapons.

What is someone supposed to use to protect themselves, their family & home from the bad guys? I'm not familiar with U.K. law, so I don't know what options a law abiding citizen has against the thugs who would kill or maim them & theirs. Aren't they allowed to stand up for themselves against the criminal or do they have to allow themselves to be hurt or worse killed?

Is it really about someone who feels inadequate OR do they feel the system can't protect them & theirs should the need arise for protection? Some may worry they have no other means available to protect themselves against the thugs. Doesn't the everyday man, business owner or not, no longer have a right to protect themselves & those they love?

Now, thugs will be thugs & will do whatever to dogs to make them vicious for their own benefits & that is nothing short of animal abuse. But thugs don't care. However, to label all pitbull owners as thugs (among other things) & call their animals loaded weapons when they aren't vicious isn't fair. I've been around enough pitbulls to know they all aren't bad as you say or think.
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You have good valid points. The trouble is when so many people get dogs for protection but do not control and train them. The dogs are then misused and dangerous to innocent people. Even police dogs are dangerous despite the best training, they have been known to attack when they shouldn't.
My view is the average citizen has no business owning a large powerful potentially vicious dog. They are indeed a loaded gun only even less controllable.
We are seeing children and adults being killed. It's so frightening.
 
Lilac said:
Like you @Jules, I don't go around living in fear either out in public or at my home. I also don't fear coming in contact with people who are out walking their dog no matter what size/type it is.

With that being said, there are people who are fearful of things (not including dogs this time) they or someone close to them experienced, what may have taken place in their neighborhood or just listening to news reports of bad happenings all over the world. Depending on where they live, a dog may be their only option.

A dog doesn't need to be mean to be protective, he just needs to be able to bark & sell the proverbial wolf ticket.
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many of the people who own these dogs, are not fearful... they are in fact those who wish to instill fear in other people ....

In this country there is no requirement for anyone to have Home owners insurance, and the people who are unwilling to have these type of dogs muzzled or have trained them to be angry dogs.. are the type who are the least likely to have home owners insurance...

My daughter had both a Pitbull and a Cane Corso.. rescues. The Cane Corso was th one that I feared most.. and it had to be kept away from the other dogs.. The Pitbull was a good boy, but he was extremely powerful and with Jaws that could snap a thick branch in half... but he was nothing like these American XL Bully Dogs...

This is him...
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This is an XL Bully.....

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George1959 said:
In my opinion it's the owners fault, as in this new case from Rome.
Jogger Killed by Escaped Rottweilers in Rome's Manziana Park
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My daughter is a dog trainer and groomer.. qualified..she had her own business in Spain for over 10 years with room for 46 dogs, who were in her care for anything up to 3 months in her boarding kennels . She had every type of dog you can imagine.. bad ones good ones, quiet ones, angry ones... Not one single dog attacked her...or her partner or staff... ( she no longer works as a dog trainer/groomer)

She had a life threatening fall caused by a Pitbull.. not because he went for her, but because she had him on lead, and he went for our Doberman.. who was being walked by a member of staff, and caused him the dobie.. serious injuries.. As she had the lead wrapped around her hand, and she went to put the pittie in a choke hold ( standard procedure).. because he was such a strong dog he pulled her over the cliff on her property and she landed 30 feet below on flint and shale.. causing 2 fingers on her right hand to be torn off, and her legs ( she was wearing shorts) to be shredded by the flint

There had been bad blood between those 2 dogs previously which meant that they always had to be kept separated but on this day the Staff member got it wrong and walked the Dobie at the wrong time..

My daughter was rushed to emergency... and her fingers were sewn back on by amazing Spanish doctors.. I'll not post the gory pictures...

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It took 2 years for her hands to work properly again. and her legs to heal .. and to this day she can't fully use those fingers on her right hand and has serious arthritis in them...

She also had a battle on to save the Doberman's life because he'd had his chest ripped out.and sadly the Pitbull had to be PTS..

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me with the pitbull prior to the accident
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OTOH.. the only dogs that have ever attacked me have been Rottweillers... they have real issues...
 
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hollydolly said:
many of the people who own these dogs, are not fearful... they are in fact those who wish to instill fear in other people ....

In this country there is no requirement for anyone to have Home owners insurance, and the people who are unwilling to have these type of dogs muzzled or have trained them to be angry dogs.. are the type who are the least likely to have home owners insurance...

My daughter had both a Pitbull and a Cane Corso.. rescues. The Cane Corso was th one that I feared most.. and it had to be kept away from the other dogs.. The Pitbull was a good boy, but he was extremely powerful and with Jaws that could snap a thick branch in half... but he was nothing like these American XL Bully Dogs...

This is him...
Rodders.jpg
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This is an XL Bully.....

American-Bully.jpg
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Oh Lord!
Corn Corso are the next big thing apparently.
 
hollydolly said:
My daughter is adog trainer and groomer.. qualified..she had her own business in Spain for over 10 years with room for 46 dogs, who were in her care for anything up to 3 months in her boarding kennels . She had every type of dog you can imagine.. bad ones good ones, quiet ones, angry ones... Not one single dog attacked her...or her partner or staff... ( she no longer works as a dog trainer/groomer)

She had a life threatening fall caused by a Pitbull.. not because he went for her, but because she had him on lead, and he went for the our Doberman.. who was being walked by a member of staff, and caused him serious injuries.. As she had the lead wrapped around her hand, and she went to put him in a choke hold ( standard procedure).. because he was such a strong dog he pulled her over the cliff on her property and she landed 30 feet below on flint and shale.. causing 2 fingers on her right hand to be torn off, and her legs ( she was wearing shorts) to be shredded by the flint

There had been bad blood between those 2 dogs previously which meant that they always had to be kept separated but on this day the Staff member got it wrong and walked the Dobie at the wrong time..

My daughter was rushed to emergency... and her fingers were sewn back on by amazing Spanish doctors.. I'll not post the gory pictures...

IMG-20131015-WA004.jpg
IMG-20131015-WA000-zpsc9decc97-jpg-original.jpg
Donna-hand.jpg


It took 2 years for her hands to work properly again. and her legs to heal .. and to this day she can't fully use those fingers on her right hand and has serious arthritis in them...

She also had a battle on to save the Doberman's life because he'd had his chest ripped out.and sadly the Pitbull had to be PTS..

Dogs-Zeus-HD.jpg
me with the pitbull prior to the accident
198665c6-bcf3-48a2-bb19-d5eee809d689.jpg

OTOH.. the only dogs that have ever attacked me have been Rottweillers... they have real issues...
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How awful.
 
hollydolly said:
many of the people who own these dogs, are not fearful... they are in fact those who wish to instill fear in other people ....
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I understand that & agree. As I said before, thugs will do whatever they want since they don't care. Some will use the dogs for intimidation or find other ways to intimidate. It's going to take the authorities to do something about it in all cases, but that's another topic for another thread.
 
Lilac said:
I understand that & agree. As I said before, thugs will do whatever they want since they don't care. Some will use the dogs for intimidation or find other ways to intimidate. It's going to take the authorities to do something about it in all cases, but that's another topic for another thread.
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well they're doing what they can here in that they've banned the XL bully dogs from being in public without being muzzled, and they did try and ban the breed and of course the bleeding heart XL bully owners whose dogs have never attacked were up in arms.. as you can imagine, so the govt backed down and just made the muzzle a permanent law.
Further, it's now illegal to own an XL Bully without an exemption certificate, and no XL Bully dogs can be sold, exchanged or bred from... and every owner has to have their dog neutered. However the owners whose dogs thus far have maimed or killed people, are the very types who flout all the rules


XL bully ban explained
 
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Rose65 said:
True. In the UK we have no real self defence weapons.
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On the contrary. UK residents can and DO own rifles and shotguns, provided they go through the required legal steps to become licensed fire arms owners. Furthermore, a cricket bat or a baseball bat is quite legal to own in the UK. A walking stick is a legal thing to have with you in any public space, in the UK. Your blanket statement was not well thought out, or you don't have a basic understanding of the laws in your own country.
 
jimintoronto said:
On the contrary. UK residents can and DO own rifles and shotguns, provided they go through the required legal steps to become licensed fire arms owners. Furthermore, a cricket bat or a baseball bat is quite legal to own in the UK. A walking stick is a legal thing to have with you in any public space, in the UK. Your blanket statement was not well thought out, or you don't have a basic understanding of the laws in your own country.
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all true...except almost everyone who has used their guns on their attackers has had a prison sentence...
 
@jujube, my insurance company didn't care that we had German Shepherds & they were aware we had them. In 2012, Ohio passed a law which allows a court to designate dogs as either a nuisance, dangerous or vicious. If designated as dangerous or vicious, you have to insurance on the animal. This isn't based on breed, but on an individual dog.

Found an easy to read definitions from an attorney website on the classifications: Nuisance Dog: The State of Ohio can designate a dog as a Nuisance if, without provocation and while not on the owner’s property, it has chased, attempted to bite, or menacingly approached a person.
Dangerous Dog: The State of Ohio can designate a dog as Dangerous if it has, without provocation, either (1) injured a person, (2) killed another dog, or (3) if the owner has failed on 3 or more occasions to sufficiently restrain or control the dog. Vicious Dog: The State of Ohio can designate a dog as Vicious if it has, without provocation, killed or seriously injured a person.

@hollydolly, in 2012 a law was passed that it's illegal in Ohio for convicted felons to own certain dogs, that includes ones determined by the court as being dangerous. Sadly, that only applies to them for a period of 3 years either after being released from prison or if placed on probation inplace of lock up for the crime. I feel that should be a permanent ban on possession.
 
jimintoronto said:
On the contrary. UK residents can and DO own rifles and shotguns, provided they go through the required legal steps to become licensed fire arms owners. Furthermore, a cricket bat or a baseball bat is quite legal to own in the UK. A walking stick is a legal thing to have with you in any public space, in the UK. Your blanket statement was not well thought out, or you don't have a basic understanding of the laws in your own country.
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We certainly do not own guns, nor any offensive weapons as lawful citizens. Only criminals or armed police do.
 
hollydolly said:
Cane Corso... !...they're on the Dangerous Dogs' list but not banned. They are Very large ... VERY strong , super independent and wilful dogs, and they could tear you apart like a bear... in the wrong hands they are absolutely potentially the worst dog..
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Yes indeed.
 
Rose65 said:
We certainly do not own guns, nor any offensive weapons as lawful citizens. Only criminals or armed police do.
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Once again, you show how unaware you are, of the facts in your own country. READ THIS LINK, that shows that about 5 percent of the population of the United Kingdom OWNS either a shot gun or a rifle.

What percentage of the UK population owns firearms? | TheGunZone.

Do you want to argue with this information, or it's source? Or will you agree that you were wrong ? Jimb.
 

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