papa tiger
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Do you think the future depends on you !
Total Bull Shit is the exact of all that you think.
Total Bull Shit is the exact of all that you think.
If we ever do colonize another planet
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papa tiger
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Nobody gives a dam about all the above B.S
George1959
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I like the movie very much. BUT: Other planets that are within our range belong to our sun system. They have no atmosphere, which means that the cosmic radiation from the sun is not good for organic life such as bacteria. Below the surface it is more likely to find it. And all of our chemical elements here on earth were created with nuclear fusion in the sun. This is valid for the other planets in our sun system too.
"A leaf of grass is a day's work of the sun" (Carl Sagan referring to Walt Whitman's 'Leaves of Grass').
"We are the children of the sun".
So nothing to be afraid of. The plans of Klaus Schwab, founder and chairman of the WEF, on transhumanism, the fusion of man and machine, are much more frightening. Who'd like to become a kind of Borg?
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VaughanJB
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Should it, or would it?
Because let's be honest, the only people who are going to get there will be the very rich, or the very very smart. Throw in handful of grunts to do the menial stuff. Pretty much the way our society works today. The rich at the top, while the smart come up with ways to do things, and then those at the bottom doing the actual work.
The main impetus to colonize anywhere right now is for mining rare minerals. All that space stuff is going to have to pay for itself. Also, none of this makes sense with highly evolved robotics.
It's worth remembering, that though we're talking billions of years, our planet has a finite life. Of course, we'll destroy ourselves long before that ever happens.
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It's anyone's guess really, but I think I would see it playing out a bit differently. I could visualize NASA personnel setting up camp first near the best resources necessary to sustain life there (It would be a survival scenario), and subsequently laying government claim to those areas. Thereafter, I would hope some discretion would be used so as to minimize corporate greed, with bylaws and healthy societal structure. It may be a pipe dream, but hopefully some valuable lessons would serve to guide the new world.
That being said, I know that people are what they are no matter where they are, but if laws could be established to keep them from paving paradise to put up a parking lot, it could possibly offer a new start with some degree of wisdom, which was frighteningly absent from our history on this planet.
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Most of this was mapped out and explored in science fiction from the 1930s through the 1970s, leaning on much that came before all the way back to our earliest ancient literature. Beginning in the 1980s or so some of this began to be popularized in a derivative manner in subsequent literature, visual media, and gaming.
One of the more recent popularizations of established tropes from the 1940s to 1950s, taking early phases of solar system colonization as its backdrop, is "The Expanse" from 2015 forward for 6 seasons.
Mars had been colonized, working on large scale terraforming. It became the innovation hub until its war of independence which diverted manpower and resources. Earth was a despotic socialist dystopia in decline that anyone outside of the baroque elite with any drive left at all tried to escape. Those who did escape went to the Asteroid Belt which contained resource mining colonies, where life was hard but in most ways better than the teeming proletariat of Earth had it.
Though the story dumbs things down a lot much of it remains over the heads of mundanes. Thus the show can quickly lose them, leaving their heads spinning. This is probably why it remains relatively unknown to the masses despite being the best television produced in several decades.
One of the more recent popularizations of established tropes from the 1940s to 1950s, taking early phases of solar system colonization as its backdrop, is "The Expanse" from 2015 forward for 6 seasons.
Mars had been colonized, working on large scale terraforming. It became the innovation hub until its war of independence which diverted manpower and resources. Earth was a despotic socialist dystopia in decline that anyone outside of the baroque elite with any drive left at all tried to escape. Those who did escape went to the Asteroid Belt which contained resource mining colonies, where life was hard but in most ways better than the teeming proletariat of Earth had it.
Though the story dumbs things down a lot much of it remains over the heads of mundanes. Thus the show can quickly lose them, leaving their heads spinning. This is probably why it remains relatively unknown to the masses despite being the best television produced in several decades.
papa tiger
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Talent is spread equally across the globe. Talent will fix stuff. Everyone else will fx it up. Mars is a waste of time for a 1000 years, the Moon is a great Idea its huge, close, and can be made a jumping off point for the future..... The earth can be slowly spun back with husbandry. not some brain dead ideas. It's greed, wars, power struggles by despots and really bad people that's screwing wid us. There are as many really bad people alive today as ever in history. .....deliver kitties, help deliver puppies, or baby Piggies, wow a lil calf ... a colt .....see what its all about.
....................... Life, actual life is a very messy business, not some kind of bunch of fairytales. ........................
...................... Ai simply means the children will never need to go to schools, will always know what they need to know. Lazy maybe? .....
..................... Sleep at night Ai learning dreams, all day Ai giving info as needed, afternoon sports ai info on assignments. .... thas it .....
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bobcat
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Regrettably, I missed that series. I must have been involved elsewhere, but I love a good science fiction, and this one seems interesting. Sometime, however, if the sci-fi is a bit too theatrical, I tend to grow weary of it, but that's just me. If I generally like the characters and the plot though, I'm willing to push that line quite some distance.
I haven't seen the Netflix documentary "The Mars Generation" yet, but something tells me it may be a more realistic look at the challenges and potential solutions that have been laid out on the table and poured over by scientists, astrophysicists, and engineers. I may be wrong, but I think it's worth a look anyway. I currently don't have Netflix, so maybe we could get input from someone who has seen it.
VaughanJB
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Perhaps, but then why is one school more valued than another? Why are Prime Ministers in the UK from one of three colleges? Nepotism ensures talent isn't equally respected. There is a narrow band of what amounts to "skilled workers", but they're just workers with more pay.
The Moon is closer, but that's about it. Unless they find a lot of water there, enough to supply sustenance for man, it's a bad choice. The only good thing about the Moon is that launching off to other planets would be easier/less costly (assuming the infrastructure was there). But that turns it into an industrial stop off point only. I'm not aware of any special minerals there, but perhaps I've missed something?
Well, they're the people most likely to go do the colonizing right now, so I'm not sure how that gets fixed. The trend is toward the dumbest set of intellectuals history has ever seen.
Oh, I disagree 100% with this. An education will be MORE important, not less. Just as the internet brought us more information, but is making us dumber. There is already too much data out there, knowing what valuable, how to use it, how to apply it, and so on - THAT is key, and that requires an education. Education is not simply about facts or answers to questions, it's much much more.
That's the Orwellian version, anyway. But in that model, we've already given up to be subservient to the machine.
VaughanJB
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Yes, but once commercial flights are available to get to other planets, there will be another gold rush, sadly.
Besides, there are active campaigns these days to discredit everything NASA does. Sad.
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It will likely be a bit less chaotic than that, as far as laying claim to territories, but once a colony gets to the point of declaring themselves an independent nation, then they would be able to institute their own laws and have their own constitution. At least that's the info in this article.
How will space law work when we begin to colonise planets?
VaughanJB
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Hm, the Constitution applies to only one country on Earth - why would people adopt it in space?
Still, we'll see. I think money will talk, everything else will be secondary.
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Actually, according to this site, 188 countries have constitutions:
Countries with Constitutions 2024
dilettante
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This is on Amazon Prime and I've seen Netflix advertising it too though it may not be there any more. Others like Apple+ and YouTube have it but for extra costs.
The series is pretty down to Earth technology-wise. The main hand waving is a high efficiency fusion rocket engine but there are no magical warp drives, transporters, artificial gravity, ray guns, etc.
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bobcat
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I'm looking forward to seeing it. It sounds like my kinda series.
It's funny using the phrase "Down to earth technology" when applied to space travel. It seems like an oxymoron, but in this case it isn't because it actually was contrived on earth.