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Last time I can remember Congress working with a President was when Tip O'Neal used to share a drink and settle things with Reagan.
 

AZ Jim said:
Last time I can remember Congress working with a President was when Tip O'Neal used to share a drink and settle things with Reagan.
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More recently was the Republican Congress that worked with Bill Clinton and helped him get a real working way of handling all the lazy and unemployed back to work. Clinton's bill had time limits on the amount the unemployed would get money's and then the money would be reduced until it was gone. Seemed to work pretty good after Clinton got that bill passed. Not sure how it works now with our current government.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
Any American who suggests the "problem" is the President, not wishing to consider the entire political arena, is not being truthful or living in reality. Before this President was inagurated, a partisan cult stated that they were sworn to make certain his tenure in office was a failure. The first 4 years was nothing but obstructionism by that same partisan group. Now that we do have both houses of Congress controlled by the Republicans, hopefully, some good legislation can come through the system. It's not started off that way. We continue to hear "defund/repeal Obamacare". We have seen traitorous Senators send a letter to a sworn enemy suggesting they would try to undo any negotiations by this Administration. Those are not acts that pull the Country together. Those are acts the will only continue the divisiveness.

This constant and consistent obsessiveness with the President really bothers me. Most of those suggesting nothing will get better until this President is gone offer no solutions to the issues of this Country or the global problems. It has become an empty echo, that does nothing but continue spiking hatred and animosity between neighbors and fellow citizens. Rather than pull together for the good of the Country, it seems to have become "en vogue" to show a derangement syndrome against a duly and legally elected leader of our Country.

Our son is currently deployed with the U.S. Army. Due to the mission of his unit, we do not know where he is or for how long. All we know is that he has been deployed numerous times, in harm's way, performing the mission handed to he and his unit. Our son will not discuss politics. Try to engage him in a talk about Presidential politics and he becomes quite agitated. "If I hesitate because I have doubts about the President or Congress or any political ongoings... I'm dead. I'm a soldier and a proud American. My soldiers depend on me to be a leader, not a politician. Don't ask me again about politics."

So, instead of offering alternative solutions for affordable medical insurance or how to best defeat those who would wipe any free country from the face of the Earth or how to keep Americans from killing each other in the streets of our home towns... it's just easier to blame the President and say all will be better when he is gone. That is NOT pulling together as Americans. That is simply falling victim to those whose fortunes are made in a media where a more agitated public relates to a larger viewing audience.
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i still say it is the President that is setting a bad scene for our Congress. He has not allowed the Congress to do their job at all. Just keeps doing things based on his say so. Pretty sad and true. Some may not like it but that is the way he has worked for his 6 years so far.

No alternative solutions for our medical system were allowed back then. Both houses were run by Democrats and for them, no Republicans were allowed in many of the 'closed door' sessions. Even when they brought the medical program up for votes there were no words involved, just titles and blank pages, an outline, were voted on and then they tried to get words and descriptions put together to give us what we have today. No wonder our Democrat leader of the House back then said 'we would have to wait till it is implemented to see what it was about'.

Calling the Republicans a 'partisan cult' just does not sound good at all. What were the Democrats doing when for several years they would not allow any discussions or votes on Republican submitted ideas to Congress? Harry Reid is finally going to retire and that is good for the Congress in the future.
 

Don M. said:
It's not the President who has to take the blame for our current worthless government....rather it is our Bullheaded Two Party System that is run by extremists who can only sit around and point fingers at the other side. Politics is supposed to be the Art of Compromise. but that theory has long ago been forgotten by these professional politicians that occupy Washington. We could sorely use a strong 3rd Party which could insure that No One party can gain a majority, and they would Have to work together to find solutions. I would also like to see a complete ban on private donations to political campaigns...and instead each candidate be given a fixed amount of Tax Dollars to run their campaign. That would go a long way towards blunting the control the Oligarchy has over our government, and perhaps return some concern about the average/working people to the halls of Congress.
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I do agree with your thoughts. I wish we could vote the way our Constitution describes it. Elections by state, districts, whatever, but just do away with these political parties. They have over run their purpose and now just want to run this country their way and not the peoples ways.

As it is, neither party is winning the election base on their votes. We only have about 30% of Republicans and 30% of Democrats as voters, the remaining 40% of independents are the real swing voters that will bring either the Republicans or Democrats into the winning positions. Just do away with all political parties and run ballots with names and no parties attached to each. Let the people decide on what they believe in and not what some party is telling them to believe in.
 
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I would certainly like to see all reference to Party Affiliation removed from the ballots. Far too many people just go down the list, and all they see is the D or R, and have no idea of what the candidate is really all about. In this State, they used to have a D or R at the top of the ballot, so people could just vote the Party with one stroke...they finally got rid of that nonsense a few years ago. I don't think I've ever voted a Party ticket, and have even voted for a Splinter Party candidate when I felt that both of the major candidates were just blowing smoke. Elections are the only voice most of us have, and if people don't do some research ahead of time...or don't even bother to vote...they have no justification to complain when some deadhead wins the election.
 
AZ Jim said:
Last time I can remember Congress working with a President was when Tip O'Neal used to share a drink and settle things with Reagan.
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That's for sure...they could argue publicly about a given subject, but were Adult enough to sit down and talk it over away from the cameras, and find some means of compromise. We haven't seen such actions from our politicians in quite some time, and it is hurting the entire nation. There are good, and bad points about any given topic, but only those who Really Care are able to work through a given problem.
 
Don M. said:
I would certainly like to see all reference to Party Affiliation removed from the ballots. Far too many people just go down the list, and all they see is the D or R, and have no idea of what the candidate is really all about. In this State, they used to have a D or R at the top of the ballot, so people could just vote the Party with one stroke...they finally got rid of that nonsense a few years ago. I don't think I've ever voted a Party ticket, and have even voted for a Splinter Party candidate when I felt that both of the major candidates were just blowing smoke. Elections are the only voice most of us have, and if people don't do some research ahead of time...or don't even bother to vote...they have no justification to complain when some deadhead wins the election.
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In Kansas, our local elections have always been non-partisan. City Council/Commission... School Board... There have been no "R" or "D" behind the names. You have to know the person and what they stand for.
But, we now live in "Brownbackistan". Brownback is pushing legislation through to move our local elections to the same cycle as the State and National elections and make every candidate declare party affiliation. Our state has a majority of Republicans on the voter rolls. So, rather than have every vote cast for a person, his thought is that many will vote party line. Now, instead of a School Board being elected in April and taking office in June to have acclimation time before the school year begins... the election will be in November with the new board members taking office in January. Makes sense, doesn't it. New ideas come in right in the middle of the school year. But, more will be Republican if Brownback's idea is successful.

A three-party system won't solve the issues of today. It still takes a super majority to do certain things in Congress. Why not do away with any party affiliation on the ballots? Vote for the candidate and not the Party. Maybe we'd get more people elected with solutions than determined to follow the agenda of their specific political Party.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
Any American who suggests the "problem" is the President, not wishing to consider the entire political arena, is not being truthful or living in reality. Before this President was inagurated, a partisan cult stated that they were sworn to make certain his tenure in office was a failure. The first 4 years was nothing but obstructionism by that same partisan group. Now that we do have both houses of Congress controlled by the Republicans, hopefully, some good legislation can come through the system. It's not started off that way. We continue to hear "defund/repeal Obamacare". We have seen traitorous Senators send a letter to a sworn enemy suggesting they would try to undo any negotiations by this Administration. Those are not acts that pull the Country together. Those are acts the will only continue the divisiveness.

This constant and consistent obsessiveness with the President really bothers me. Most of those suggesting nothing will get better until this President is gone offer no solutions to the issues of this Country or the global problems. It has become an empty echo, that does nothing but continue spiking hatred and animosity between neighbors and fellow citizens. Rather than pull together for the good of the Country, it seems to have become "en vogue" to show a derangement syndrome against a duly and legally elected leader of our Country.

Our son is currently deployed with the U.S. Army. Due to the mission of his unit, we do not know where he is or for how long. All we know is that he has been deployed numerous times, in harm's way, performing the mission handed to he and his unit. Our son will not discuss politics. Try to engage him in a talk about Presidential politics and he becomes quite agitated. "If I hesitate because I have doubts about the President or Congress or any political ongoings... I'm dead. I'm a soldier and a proud American. My soldiers depend on me to be a leader, not a politician. Don't ask me again about politics."

So, instead of offering alternative solutions for affordable medical insurance or how to best defeat those who would wipe any free country from the face of the Earth or how to keep Americans from killing each other in the streets of our home towns... it's just easier to blame the President and say all will be better when he is gone. That is NOT pulling together as Americans. That is simply falling victim to those whose fortunes are made in a media where a more agitated public relates to a larger viewing audience.
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Well said, I agree. I hope your son stays safe, and I thank him for his sacrifice and service to our country.
 
But, we now live in "Brownbackistan".

A three-party system won't solve the issues of today. It still takes a super majority to do certain things in Congress. Why not do away with any party affiliation on the ballots? Vote for the candidate and not the Party. Maybe we'd get more people elected with solutions than determined to follow the agenda of their specific political Party.[/QUOTE]

We lived in Wichita for about 4 years, back in the late '60's....and it was pretty good back then. However, the stories I'm hearing about Brownback make me wonder what has happened to Kansas. I think he is just a puppet to the ultra rich in Johnson County....and of course, the Koch's who have created a dynasty headquartered in Wichita.

I think removing any and all reference to Party Affiliation on the ballot would be a good step in the right direction. If the voters don't put some effort into learning about the candidate, they would be essentially flipping a coin when they voted. Partisan Party politics is leading this nation down the wrong path.
 
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