Immunity passport (antibody based) covering both recovered and vaccinated

AnnieA

AnnieA

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This is the most sensible way in which to assure safety since recent Israeli data shows a significantly higher protection rate from prior "natural" infection than vaccine conferred. Recovered, unvaccinated people would substitute an antibody titer instead of a vaccination record. Most people won't after going to the trouble to get vaccinated, but it's also a good idea for the elderly, obese and those with inflammatory medical conditions to have antibodies tested post vaccination since those groups are high risk for poor antibody response to vaccines.

Ideally, all would be antibody titer based and antibodies checked every 3-6 months but I can see where that would be a burden on several levels. It would be ideal though, since the Israeli study showed on dose of vaccine boosted waning natural immunity. It would also show when vaccinated subjects with no history of infection need a booster.

References:

Obesity and vaccines

Israeli study--new data awaiting peer review

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

Excerpt:

(naïve vaccinees are vaccinated subjects with no history of infection)

SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold...increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold...increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

...The advantageous protection afforded by natural immunity that this analysis demonstrates could be explained by the more extensive immune response to the SARS-CoV-2 proteins than that generated by the anti-spike protein immune activation
conferred by the vaccine...
 

Please explain to me how this law is at all constitutional. Then explain how when a woman wants to abort her child, it is “her body, her choice” but when someone wants to not get the vaccine, it‘s up to the government. By the way, my whole family is vaccinated. Why someone chooses not to get vaccinated is not my business.
 
Yes its the more sensible way and those with antibodies who have no reason to be vaccinated could retain their employment.
 

Becky1951 said:
Yes its the more sensible way and those with antibodies who have no reason to be vaccinated could retain their employment.
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That's not without precedent in healthcare.

I've worked at places that waived Hep B and MMR for new hires with adequate antibody titers. All that matters is immunity.
 
Three nurses I work with had antibodies tested last week out of curiosity.

Results:

38 year old had mild case in Dec 2020. Received 2nd vaccine in April
Antibody level: 170

47 year old mild case in Dec 2020.
Not vaccinated.
Antibody level: 500

43 year old had mild case June 2020. Received 2nd vaccine in April.
Antibodies over 2,500.

Edit: None overweight. The >2,500 is probably right at ideal body weight. The 500 is the most over IBW, but still has a good BMI. None with significant health conditions.
 
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AnnieA said:
Three nurses I work with had antibodies tested last week out of curiosity.

Results:

38 year old had mild case in Dec 2020. Received 2nd vaccine in April
Antibody level: 170

47 year old mild case in Dec 2020.
Not vaccinated.
Antibody level: 500

43 year old had mild case June 2020. Received 2nd vaccine in April.
Antibodies over 2,500.
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Do you know if the 2 who were vaccinated in April had the same vaccine? The level of antibodies are so different. Maybe different vaccines?
 
Becky1951 said:
Do you know if the 2 who were vaccinated in April had the same vaccine? The level of antibodies are so different. Maybe different vaccines?
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They both had Pfizer, two doses, second in April. Individuals just develop antibodies differently. I've worked with a few healthcare personnel who had the three dose Hepatitis B vaccine annually and never developed antibodies.
 
For those with high enough levels of antibodies, an exemption card makes sense. IMO, it would have to have a time limit and they would need to be tested again in maybe six months.

Though Rita & Tom Hanks both had Covid, her antibodies disappeared in less than a year. I don’t know about him.

I would expect that we’d be paying for these antibody tests ourselves or the systems would be overrun.
 
Jules said:
I would expect that we’d be paying for these antibody tests ourselves or the systems would be overrun.
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Agreed. Not sure of the price everywhere but I was quoted $50 at a local lab. It would be worth it to a lot of people to optimize vaccinations and eliminate unnecessary ones. Israel's data within the last week showed that when infection induced natural antibodies started to wane, one mRNA delivered vaccine dose boosted antibodies back to protective levels.
 

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