Interesting article on concerns about the Wuhan laboratory sent by diplomats in 2018

[asp3]

One interesting picture came to light. Shown below, one might wonder what little Anthony Fauci was doing in a gathering of big money and media moguls. Aside from those less-bright who might immediately dive right into some conspiracy theory, the picture does raise some interesting questions.

What is the context of the picture? When was it taken, where was it taken and why was it taken? Was it made public and if so in what publications?

 

[Aunt Marg]

Oh, oh, I can answer that, not speaking for anyone but me, of course. The Chinese government decided that, since they were ending the one child policy, they needed to make room for more Chinese people.

So they invented the virus, let in loose in their country, and allowed it to kill their own population. Then they decided to infect the USA by sending the virus to Europe, where Europeans could spread it to the USA.

By doing this, the Chinese could further harm their own country and their own people, because as you know, the people of China hate the people of China.

This really stupid and ridiculous explanation of mine makes as much sense as @Gaer does, IMO. . @StarSong

Putting others down for their free speech and opinion isn't what I deem as being conducive of healthy forum behaviour.

We all believe what we do, but that doesn't give us the right to add members names to our entries in negative context when the conversation doesn't go our way, or when someone says something that we don't like.

 

[Jeweltea]

@asp3 so they knew about this crap clear back in 2017 and didn't nip it in the bud then? They put all of us at risk because why??

Agree...sounds like the U.S. was informed back in ve2017 about this but did nothing. Very interesting article.

 

[StarSong]

One interesting picture came to light. Shown below, one might wonder what little Anthony Fauci was doing in a gathering of big money and media moguls. Aside from those less-bright who might immediately dive right into some conspiracy theory, the picture does raise some interesting questions.

When and where was this photo taken? Context is everything.

 

[StarSong]

Never mind, I found it myself. The uncropped version shows it was taken at the inaugural event for the Carnegie Medal of Philanthropy 2001.

Everyone can put away their tin foil hats. Apparently there is no conspiracy afoot.

 

[JonDouglas]

Never mind, I found it myself. The uncropped version shows it was taken at the inaugural event for the Carnegie Medal of Philanthropy 2001.

Everyone can put away their tin foil hats. Apparently there is no conspiracy afoot.

First, nobody said there was a conspiracy afoot. Second, the interest is in the connections and follow up, not the event.

 

[StarSong]

First, nobody said there was a conspiracy afoot. Second, the interest is in the connections and follow up, not the event.

Where is the evidence that their relationships were any more in depth or long lasting than a photograph staged by the Carnegie Foundation?

I've been photographed in plenty of group shots at events (weddings, reunions, retirement parties, etc.) with people I've never seen before or since. Haven't you?

 

[JonDouglas]

Where is the evidence that their relationships were any more in depth or long lasting than a photograph staged by the Carnegie Foundation?

I've been photographed in plenty of group shots at events (weddings, reunions, retirement parties, etc.) with people I've never seen before or since. Haven't you?

It will, in all probability, become more clear with time. In that vein, the timeline of Fauci's ongoing contradictions and position shifts are also interesting. Be assured that COVID messaging is being politically driven. Look to see who the drivers are.

 

[Aneeda72]

Putting others down for their free speech and opinion isn't what I deem as being conducive of healthy forum behaviour.

We all believe what we do, but that doesn't give us the right to add members names to our entries in negative context when the conversation doesn't go our way, or when someone says something that we don't like.

I suppose when someone says something racist, or something ignorant, or something that encourages violence against other Americans, with no evidence or direct knowledge than a “belief” others should simply smile blankly, look off into the distance, and say why yes, that’s Uncle Bob, he’s always been a bit off.

But I actually have no ideal what you are talking about so perhaps you could be clearer @Aunt Marg? Because I will be clearer. Speech that encourages hate is not acceptable. It is, in fact, a crime in every state.

People, of various races, continue to be considered second class citizens when other people put forward false conspiracy theories that are dangerous and can lead to violence. That’s how a black man, named George, died while lots of folk watched.

That is how bombs went off in Boston. Or a shooter in Las Vegas. Or the belief that Hispanics are all rapists. Or an elderly Chinese man, walking down the street, viciously tackled from behind, knocked into a wall, and died from wounds received because his race is responsible for Covid.

As so many stupid ignorant racist people claim their freedom of speech while hiding in their houses.

But freedom of speech is freedom of speech and I am free to give my opinion, stand on my soap box, and give my speech. and I will always object to hate speech. Always.

You @Aunt Marg and others are free not to read it what I write. You are free to put me on ignore. Please, put me on ignore. But no one is allowed to promote dangerous and hateful speech.

 

[Aneeda72]

Never mind, I found it myself. The uncropped version shows it was taken at the inaugural event for the Carnegie Medal of Philanthropy 2001.

Everyone can put away their tin foil hats. Apparently there is no conspiracy afoot.

Some people have their tin hats glued to their heads, it keeps the gamma rays out.

 

[Aneeda72]

First, nobody said there was a conspiracy afoot. Second, the interest is in the connections and follow up, not the event.

Ok, what was the follow up and connections?

 

[Aneeda72]

IMO, this virus was part of the Chinese government "experimenting" with the means of conducting Chemical/Biological Warfare at their research site in Wuhan.....and through some sort of error, the virus was released. We will probably never know the full truth, from this dictator government. I would like to see the nations of the world beginning to isolate this Chinese regime, via pulling manufacturing out of that country, and refusing to buy Chinese products. That nation has gotten quite rich by undercutting manufacturing in much of the world, and they deserve to take a major hit to their wallet for causing millions of illnesses and deaths.

So you blame a country instead of the manufactures that fled to China for cheap labor? You blame the Chinese for the failure of the American government and other governments to act? You blame the Chinese for the failure of people to follow the science? WOW

 

[asp3]

It will, in all probability, become more clear with time. In that vein, the timeline of Fauci's ongoing contradictions and position shifts are also interesting. Be assured that COVID messaging is being politically driven. Look to see who the drivers are.

How about starting up a thread about Fauci with links to well documented articles from reputable sources that lead you to believe that there is something nefarious about his path and past actions and his relationships with the any, some or all of the people in the photograph you posted?

I'm fairly sure that the thread can be a non-political one because you can post facts about his actions and activity. That way the rest of us can either become enlightened or share why we disagree with your suspicions.

 

[JonDouglas]

How about starting up a thread about Fauci with links to well documented articles from reputable sources that lead you to believe that there is something nefarious about his path and past actions and his relationships with the any, some or all of the people in the photograph you posted?

I'm fairly sure that the thread can be a non-political one because you can post facts about his actions and activity. That way the rest of us can either become enlightened or share why we disagree with your suspicions.

In due time, when there's more information. Waiting until the fog clears is usually a good idea.

 

[OneEyedDiva]

We were warned about the possibility of biological warfare wreaking havoc many years ago. So it shouldn't be ruled out. And don't forget how much gets hidden from the general public by the powers that be. As a health care worker who worked in the communicable disease department, including following HIV cases, I didn't believe the explanation they gave about how HIV came to be and initially spread. I'm not much believing the explanation of how COVID-19 came to be either. Whether it was a lab mistake or done purposely, I don't discount the lab theory @Gaer.

 

[Aunt Marg]

We were warned about the possibility of biological warfare many years ago. As a health care worker who worked in infectious diseases, I didn't believe the explanation they gave about how HIV came to be. I'm not much believing the explanation of how COVID-19 came to be. Whether it was a lab mistake or done purposely, I don't discount the lab theory @Gaer.

Add me to your and Gaer's list, OneEyed.

 

[asp3]

In due time, when there's more information. Waiting until the fog clears is usually a good idea.

So are you saying that there isn't enough reputable information available yet? If so then why are you satisfied with presenting an opinion publicly where you don't think there is enough information for others to agree with you?

 

[garyt1957]

To what end?

Simple. The Chinese have a stated goal of being the world's super power. This virus has crippled the US, the current super power. We just signed a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill, on top of the other two stimulus bills. We will likely never get out of this debt and that weakens the US dollar to the point of where it may no longer be used as the world's currency, which would be catastrophic to the US.
The US is the world's biggest economy yet we're due to be supplanted by the Chinese in a certain number of years. The virus and subsequent shutdowns have moved that point up 5-10 years.
We defeated the Soviet Union without firing a shot by bankrupting them and that's exactly what China is doing to us.
This would be a darn good movie plot if it weren't actually happening in real life. Now let me say, I don't particularly believe the Chinese did this on purpose (although I certainly wouldn't be shocked to find out it's true) but you asked to what end and I've just given you a perfectly good reason they MIGHT do this.

 

[garyt1957]

I am not being mean. I disagree with you. You are not a victim. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am mean or you are a victim . My explanation is as good as your conspiracy theory.

My son‘s significant other is Chinese. Born in China with many relatives in China who have died.

While she used to see her mother and other relatives in California every Christmas, she could not see them this year. She also visits China to see relatives there, not now of course, and could not attend anyone’s funeral. And she has relatives come from China and stay with her. Not now of course.

The continued racism against the Chinese, the continued attacks against the Chinese, the continued conspiracy theories are totally out of line.

We have the Europe version of the virus. We have the UK version of the virus. We do not have the Chinese version. It you NEED someone to blame to make yourself feel superior, blame Europe or the UK. It would be more accurate. IMO. @Gaer

Chinese people are being beaten up and killed because of statements like yours.

Agreed. Nevertheless it seems a pretty stupid thing to do if you haven't already vaccinated your own citizens and military against it and all potential mutations.

If China did this intentionally (which I personally think is highly unlikely because they were massively unprepared for the virus from a PR and medical standpoint), it certainly bit them in the butt plenty hard.

When all the dust settles, it may well turn out that countries such as the US begin underwriting domestic factories and manufacturing so that we don't find ourselves in a position of dependency again.

Actually it's genius to do it before you vaccinate you're citizens. The Communist Chinese Party doesn't care one iota about their people. That's been demonstrated many times. They kill people for simply speaking out. Allowing a few people to die with the virus would be a perfect alibi for them. It would be too obvious if it started in China yet no Chinese died. And again, just playing devil's advocate, but it certainly fits.

 

[garyt1957]

You could be right

Remember, as crass and inhuman as it seems, China has citizens to burn and probably wouldn't loose much that much sleep over a flu virus running loose. More than once, countries have used war, catastrophe or contrived incidents to galvanize their people.

Amen

 

[garyt1957]

So you blame a country instead of the manufactures that fled to China for cheap labor? You blame the Chinese for the failure of the American government and other governments to act? You blame the Chinese for the failure of people to follow the science? WOW

You're confusing the Communist Party of China with it's actual citizens. The actual people of China are fine people who would like nothing more than to be free and out from under communist rule. The Party however is evil and will do anything to keep power. Remember Tiananmen Square?

 

[Aneeda72]

You're confusing the Communist Party of China with it's actual citizens. The actual people of China are fine people who would like nothing more than to be free and out from under communist rule. The Party however is evil and will do anything to keep power. Remember Tiananmen Square?

I am not confused, but you might be. You not only assign me a mental state that I don’t have on this issue , but you assume that all the “actual people” of China would like to be free. People, belonging to the communist party, are ”actual people”.

It might surprise you to learn but not all countries, or people, want the “freedom” of the American way of life. Many people prefer a more parental ruling system. The problem with the so called free people of the world is our apparent need to impose our way of life on others.

There are a great many people in China, probably more than anywhere else on the world. If they wanted to rise up, in mass, against their leaders and over throw the communist party I am sure they would succeed. Therefore, I conclude the “actual people” are satisfied with the way things are, except like in the USA, for a few malcontents who would like some other form of government.

The status quo in most countries remains the status quo. When the MAJORITY of the people of a country dislike the leadership they rise up. World History proves this. The browning of America has caused a great deal of strife in many racists radical communities.

But the MAJORITY of Americans try to assimilate all populations and people of color. This wish was expressed in our last election. Ones political view, no matter what the country, can be viewed as good or evil.

Due to recent events, in the USA, many here view a certain main stream political party as evil. Remember the Capital and the attempted overthrow? Some of my more stupid older relatives, who drank deeply of the kool-aid, said they would be fine with having a certain person as a dictator. WOW, just WOW.

I said to my oldest son, who is very interested in politics and mildly politically active, the recent events really allowed people to understand how Hilter came to power in Germany. This must never be allowed to happen again.

Just my opinions, of course. I actually like having discussions with you @garyt1957 but I would like it more if you leave out negative personnel comments. It’s hard, I know. I sometimes fail to do this as well, but I try really hard not to do it.

 

[Aneeda72]

Amen

Yes the USA has done this many times. Many foreign wars, many generations of men and some woman lost, because war is money. And money rules us all.

 

[Gaer]

Now this I can agree with until proven otherwise.

Shall we rewrite this into a fairy tale to come out with whatever the mind can accept?
Let's leave out the part of why were they developing a covid virus.
Let's leave out the part where the Chinese communist government told them to develop this, because some might think it's racist.
I know! let's skip to the part where everyone lives happily ever after.

I am not confused, but you might be. You not only assign me a mental state that I don’t have on this issue , but you assume that all the “actual people” of China would like to be free. People, belonging to the communist party, are ”actual people”.

It might surprise you to learn but not all countries, or people, want the “freedom” of the American way of life. Many people prefer a more parental ruling system. The problem with the so called free people of the world is our apparent need to impose our way of life on others.

There are a great many people in China, probably more than anywhere else on the world. If they wanted to rise up, in mass, against their leaders and over throw the communist party I am sure they would succeed. Therefore, I conclude the “actual people” are satisfied with the way things are, except like in the USA, for a few malcontents who would like some other form of government.

The status quo in most countries remains the status quo. When the MAJORITY of the people of a country dislike the leadership they rise up. World History proves this. The browning of America has caused a great deal of strife in many racists radical communities.

But the MAJORITY of Americans try to assimilate all populations and people of color. This wish was expressed in our last election. Ones political view, no matter what the country, can be viewed as good or evil.

Due to recent events, in the USA, many here view a certain main stream political party as evil. Remember the Capital and the attempted overthrow? Some of my more stupid older relatives, who drank deeply of the kool-aid, said they would be fine with having a certain person as a dictator. WOW, just WOW.

I said to my oldest son, who is very interested in politics and mildly politically active, the recent events really allowed people to understand how Hilter came to power in Germany. This must never be allowed to happen again.

Just my opinions, of course. I actually like having discussions with you @garyt1957 but I would like it more if you leave out negative personnel comments. It’s hard, I know. I sometimes fail to do this as well, but I try really hard not to do it.

You are standing up for the Chinese communist party?
Can you name a time in history when the people who were for censored speech, punished free expression, banned books, and pushed their ideology on others (including cancelling them) were the good guys?
Just curious, because i can't think of one.

 

[Rosemarie]

Shall we rewrite this into a fairy tale to come out with whatever the mind can accept?
Let's leave out the part of why were they developing a covid virus.
Let's leave out the part where the Chinese communist government told them to develop this, because some might think it's racist.
I know! let's skip to the part where everyone lives happily ever after.

You are standing up for the Chinese communist party?
Can you name a time in history when the people who were for censored speech, punished free expression, banned books, and pushed their ideology on others (including cancelling them) were the good guys?
Just curious, because i can't think of one.

Funny thing is....that is exactly what is now happening in the Western world with all this 'woke' nonsense.