Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

[TabbyAnn]

Who says the American public bought into the deception?

After Muslim terrorists killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11/2001 and the President went on national TV and told the American people Islam is a religion of peace, I didn’t see one American group, individual or institution challenge that by analyzing the theology of Islam and how it is common to all Muslim terrorist groups and to the long history of brutal Islamic wars.

Instead I saw a national embrace of Islam that resulted in multi-million dollar mosques in every city, Muslims elected to Congress, Inter-faith organizations electing them to leadership, Universities promoting Islamic organizations, and just plain ordinary citizens rushing to be benevolent to Muslims.

If you saw something different, I’m open to learning about it. Now a different President is back on national TV saying the same thing and there has been no in-depth analysis of the theology by the public and no laws or policies enacted to contain it. There is swift military response to it and we need that, but there has been no accompanying civilian action.

 

[Devi]

After Muslim terrorists killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11/2001 and the President went on national TV and told the American people Islam is a religion of peace, I didn’t see one American group, individual or institution challenge that by analyzing the theology of Islam and how it is common to all Muslim terrorist groups and to the long history of brutal Islamic wars.

Instead I saw a national embrace of Islam that resulted in multi-million dollar mosques in every city, Muslims elected to Congress, Inter-faith organizations electing them to leadership, Universities promoting Islamic organizations, and just plain ordinary citizens rushing to be benevolent to Muslims.

If you saw something different, I’m open to learning about it. Now a different President is back on national TV saying the same thing and there has been no in-depth analysis of the theology by the public and no laws or policies enacted to contain it. There is swift military response to it and we need that, but no accompanying civilian action.

Well, in the ensuing years, if one said anything at all about Islam's negative factors, one gets labeled "islamophobic". As if there could be nothing wrong with Islam ever. But they just want you to shut up.

 

[ElCastor]

After Muslim terrorists killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11/2001 and the President went on national TV and told the American people Islam is a religion of peace, I didn’t see one American group, individual or institution challenge that by analyzing the theology of Islam and how it is common to all Muslim terrorist groups and to the long history of brutal Islamic wars.

Oh really? Count me in as one American who despises Islam, and has for a very long time. Here is a web site (American?), The Religion of Peace, that has enlightened many Americans on the truth of Islam. Check it out ...
List of Islamic Terror Attacks

 

[CallMeKate]

Well, in the ensuing years, if one said anything at all about Islam's negative factors, one gets labeled "islamophobic".

Sad but true. I did some research after 9-11 and found that there are a few passages from the Qur'an that are constantly misinterpreted to say it's peaceful, but it's the opposite. Always the same few passages... being used to "prove" a religion of peace, but the rest of the text is ignored. I don't know why so many aren't interested in finding out what it really says instead of just believing what they're told second-hand or spoon fed the misinterpretation.

 

[Murrmurr]

Iran has issued a chilling warning to the United States that Israel's war with Hamas could 'spiral out of control' if they do not 'immediately' cease strikes on Gaza - as the Israeli government warned it would target Tehran if Hezbollah escalates the conflict.

'I warn the US and its proxy (Israel) that if they do not immediately stop the crime against humanity and genocide in Gaza, anything is possible at any moment and the region will go out of control,' Iranian foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said today at a news conference in Tehran.

Israeli air strikes have shown no sign of ceasing as they pounded the Gaza Strip overnight, as well as two airports in Syria and a mosque allegedly used by terrorists in the West Bank, increasing fears that the war could erupt into a regional conflict.

Israelis living near the country's northern border with Lebanon have been evacuated from their homes as the Israel Defense Forces continue to exchange intense cross-border fire with Iran-backed terror group Hezbollah.

In a direct threat to deter Tehran from intervening further, Nir Barkat, Israel's Minister of Economy warned that not only would Israel 'eliminate Hezbollah', if it believes the terror group is opening up a 'northern front', but 'we will actually target Iran.'

Iran warns the US Israel-Hamas conflict could spiral 'out of control'

Iran has to do that for political reasons, but Iran, Lebanon, Jordan and the rest of the Middle-East won't start anything. None of them care about the Palestinians and they don't care about Hamas, either. Hamas is just one of Iran's tools, and they have plenty of others.

I think Iran and the rest will simply wait and see how it goes. They'll let Israel do its thing and then demonize them, but it's not going to go further than that unless somebody does something really stupid.

 

[Murrmurr]

Well, in the ensuing years, if one said anything at all about Islam's negative factors, one gets labeled "islamophobic". As if there could be nothing wrong with Islam ever. But they just want you to shut up.

That's true. And who do you think "they" are? What do you suppose their goal is, or their motivation?

I suppose "they" could be well-meaning but stupid and short-sighted. But it could be something that goes much deeper than that, and "they" are simply handy tools. In terms of the future, neither one is a good thing, but if it's the first thing "they" will probably lose steam pretty soon.

 

[TabbyAnn]

I don't know what deception you're referring to. Are you talking about US money or aid to Gaza?...or what?

edit: I reread your post. Sorry, yeah, about "no connection between Islamic jihad and Islam"; I'm guessing politicians sometimes have to lie (by omission) in order to prevent war, or to prevent insulting the world's second largest religious group, or so as not to piss off approximately 1.9 billion people, or to prevent a major oil embargo, or maybe just to fleece Americans.

Yes, the deception was the President going on national TV and saying Islam is a religion of peace. I was astounded by that because I had read a documentary of the war between the Muslim army of West Pakistan and the civilians of East Pakistan and the Muslim army did exactly the same things as the Hamas Muslims from Gaza. It was sickening. This led me to study the Quran and it’s encouragement to war, and to a study of the long history of violent Islamic wars. I think your analysis of why the Presidents lie is a good one.

 

[TabbyAnn]

Well, in the ensuing years, if one said anything at all about Islam's negative factors, one gets labeled "islamophobic". As if there could be nothing wrong with Islam ever. But they just want you to shut up.

Yes I think the fear of being called Islamophobic has discouraged many Americans from a rational analysis of Islam. I’ve concluded those who are afraid to study the theology and history of Islam and discuss it are the real Islamophobes.

 

[Murrmurr]

Yes, the deception was the President going on national TV and saying Islam is a religion of peace. I was astounded by that because I had read a documentary of the war between the Muslim army of West Pakistan and the civilians of East Pakistan and the Muslim army did exactly the same things as the Hamas Muslims from Gaza. It was sickening. This led me to study the Quran and it’s encouragement to war, and to a study of the long history of violent Islamic wars. I think your analysis of why the Presidents lie is a good one.

Christians also have a bloody history. So do Protestants and even Buddhists. Everyone's scriptures condemn violence in every form, but all major religions use it to excuse their violence for the sake of their god and their beliefs, or their people or the whole world.

I think Jews have been the least violent of all. They may not be the most persecuted, but they've been persecuted for way, way longer. I mean, it just never ends for them.

 

[jimintoronto]

That's true. And who do you think "they" are? What do you suppose their goal is, or their motivation?

I suppose "they" could be well-meaning but stupid and short-sighted. But it could be something that goes much deeper than that, and "they" are simply handy tools. In terms of the future, neither one is a good thing, but if it's the first thing "they" will probably lose steam pretty soon.

In his day , Lenin called some people "useful idiots " and he used them to spread the gospel of Communist ideology in the West. The same principle applies today, with the "progressive leftists " in America. It is seen, in some circles to be fashionable to be a supporter of "freedom fighters " . The blowback is starting to happen now. The big name US Universities are going to find that the money that used to come in from Jewish individuals and associations is quickly drying up. I have seen a huge increase in US TV ads calling out religious haters, by Jewish groups like the Jewish Defense League.

University student groups are starting to be held to account for their racist and religious hate speech. Here in Toronto, York University has warned three student groups that support Hamas that their members MAY be expelled from the University if the groups persist in their hate campaigns. For my American friends...In Canada freedom of speech is NOT unlimited. Once a person advocates for the actual harm of another, by word or written form, they can be criminally charged under the provisions of the Canadian Criminal Code. That includes the use of the phrase Islamic Jihad in speech or writing. JImB.

 

[Murrmurr]

Yes I think the fear of being called Islamophobic has discouraged many Americans from a rational analysis of Islam. I’ve concluded those who are afraid to study the theology and history of Islam and discuss it are the real Islamophobes.

Here's what I think is happening....on an emotional or psychological level anyway:

It has become very fashionable and even virtuous among young adults to portray themselves as social victims. So, based on no research whatsoever, they align themselves with other people they perceive as social victims. This is why the slogan "Free Palestine!" has become so big with them. They got the impression somehow that Palestine is being held hostage or is in some sort of captivity, and off they go....not to Palestine, mind you - I doubt many of them even know where Palestine is - but to a pile of signs at some rally.

This is the virtue-signaling train right now. And if you're not on it, you get a name-tag such as "Islamophobe."

 

[Murrmurr]

In his day , Lenin called some people "useful idiots " and he used them to spread the gospel of Communist ideology in the West.

And you know what he did to them after he came to power, right?

One great thing about our elderly politicians is that they DO know. And, while they do tend to take advantage of these useful idiots to maintain their elected seats, they also know when it's a good time to stop them.

 

[Devi]

Here's what I think is happening....on an emotional or psychological level anyway:

It has become very fashionable and even virtuous among young adults to portray themselves as social victims. So, based on no research whatsoever, they align themselves with other people they perceive as social victims. This is why the slogan "Free Palestine!" has become so big with them. They got the impression somehow that Palestine is being held hostage or is in some sort of captivity, and off they go....not to Palestine, mind you - I doubt many of them even know where Palestine is - but to a pile of signs at some rally.

This is the virtue-signaling train right now. And if you're not on it, you get a name-tag such as "Islamophobe."

Good post, @Murrmurr. Well, I (along with whomever else) got called an Islamophobe right here in the Senior Forums in an ... overly excitable ... post the other day. Not sure if Matrix deleted it.

 

[Murrmurr]

In his day , Lenin called some people "useful idiots " and he used them to spread the gospel of Communist ideology in the West. The same principle applies today, with the "progressive leftists " in America. It is seen, in some circles to be fashionable to be a supporter of "freedom fighters " . The blowback is starting to happen now. The big name US Universities are going to find that the money that used to come in from Jewish individuals and associations is quickly drying up. I have seen a huge increase in US TV ads calling out religious haters, by Jewish groups like the Jewish Defense League.

University student groups are starting to be held to account for their racist and religious hate speech. Here in Toronto, York University has warned three student groups that support Hamas that their members MAY be expelled from the University if the groups persist in their hate campaigns. For my American friends...In Canada freedom of speech is NOT unlimited. Once a person advocates for the actual harm of another, by word or written form, they can be criminally charged under the provisions of the Canadian Criminal Code. That includes the use of the phrase Islamic Jihad in speech or writing. JImB.

Also, it's easy to forget that a lot of these student groups weren't even born when 9-11 happened, or were toddlers and infants. So, if they even care about that, they obviously have no memory of who was behind it and why.

 

[jimintoronto]

Good post, @Murrmurr. Well, I (along with whomever else) got called an Islamophobe right here in the Senior Forums in an ... overly excitable ... post the other day. Not sure if Matrix deleted it.

Would you care to name that person who called you that ? Afterall, they need to be held accountable for their words, right ? JimB.

 

[CallMeKate]

It has become very fashionable and even virtuous among young adults to portray themselves as social victims. So, based on no research whatsoever, they align themselves with other people they perceive as social victims. This is why the slogan "Free Palestine!" has become so big with them. They got the impression somehow that Palestine is being held hostage or is in some sort of captivity, and off they go....not to Palestine, mind you - I doubt many of them even know where Palestine is - but to a pile of signs at some rally.

Yep, you got it. There is no need to be skilled in something like... oh, say critical thinking... when there's always some victim group telling you what to think.

 

[Murrmurr]

Good post, @Murrmurr. Well, I (along with whomever else) got called an Islamophobe right here in the Senior Forums in an ... overly excitable ... post the other day. Not sure if Matrix deleted it.

Yeah, we all have to be careful with our words. No matter what the topic is.

 

[Devi]

Would you care to name that person who called you that ? Afterall, they need to be held accountable for their words, right ? JimB.

Well <sigh>. @OneEyedDiva — care to respond?

ADDED: Not sure I'm the only one who saw it.

 

[CallMeKate]

Yeah, we all have to be careful with our words. No matter what the topic is.

I think we do... if it's mean or mocking... obvious put-down, etc. But if it's just giving our opinion on something like another religion without making it an argument, that's just a matter of voicing thoughts/feelings, no? If someone (many have here) says they don't believe in the Bible, the name callers don't come out of the woodwork with "Christianphobe."

 

[Murrmurr]

@CallMeKate - "If someone mentions they like a thick head of hair, are they put down for being a baldaphobe?"

Don't think I haven't considered it.

Since I can get carried away on some topics, and forget I'm not just talking to 1 or 2 people, when my feathers get ruffled I've made it a habit to walk away from the PC and have some nice, hot yerba. And then maybe come back to the thread later.

 

[CallMeKate]

@CallMeKate - "If someone mentions they like a thick head of hair, are they put down for being a baldaphobe?"

Don't think I haven't considered it.

Durn it, @Murrmurr , I deleted that part before anyone was supposed to see it. Stop being so fast!

 

[TabbyAnn]

Christians also have a bloody history. So do Protestants and even Buddhists. Everyone's scriptures condemn violence in every form, but all major religions use it to excuse their violence for the sake of their god and their beliefs, or their people or the whole world.

I think Jews have been the least violent of all. They may not be the most persecuted, but they've been persecuted for way, way longer. I mean, it just never ends for them.

I don’t recall a scripture in the Quran that condemns violence in every form. I was struck by the violent rules of war and the violent punishments for breaking civilian rules such as cutting off hands and feet for theft, 100 lashes for adultery, cutting off the heads of non-believers and so on.

 

[Murrmurr]

I don’t recall a scripture in the Quran that condemns violence in every form. I was struck by the violent rules of war and the violent punishments for breaking civilian rules such as cutting off hands and feet for theft, 100 lashes for adultery, cutting off the heads of non-believers and so on.

Maybe it's an Islamic tenet or scripture (or whatever).

If I remember right, it goes something like "care for your neighbors in the 7 houses on all sides" and each neighbor is supposed to be responsible for the next 7, and the next, and so on. It doesn't say "but only if they're Muslim" or "except if they're Jewish" or anything like that, and it doesn't say "up to the border."

It means that everyone is responsible for their neighbors. And it goes on to say you must keep peace with them, respect them, bring them food and clothes and anything they need in times of illness or loss. This is why truly devout Muslims are condemning what's happening in Israel.

And maybe Islam doesn't condemn violence in every form. I only know for sure that Buddhism does, word-for-word. And like a lot of religions, Islam is riddled with contradictions. Like, you're prohibited from slapping your neighbor across the face, but you can do that to your wife ...and with the slightest provocation, or even imagined provocation. Only Allah has to believed she deserved it.

 

[TabbyAnn]

In a direct threat to deter Tehran from intervening further, Nir Barkat, Israel's Minister of Economy warned that not only would Israel 'eliminate Hezbollah', if it believes the terror group is opening up a 'northern front', but 'we will actually target Iran.'

Wow! Israel has got ..........

 

[Murrmurr]

Iran has to do that for political reasons, but Iran, Lebanon, Jordan and the rest of the Middle-East won't start anything. None of them care about the Palestinians and they don't care about Hamas, either. Hamas is just one of Iran's tools, and they have plenty of others.

I think Iran and the rest will simply wait and see how it goes. They'll let Israel do its thing and then demonize them, but it's not going to go further than that unless somebody does something really stupid.

@hollydolly

You know what, though? AFTER Israel has dealt with Hamas (and Hezbollah), they will probably have to deal with Iran.

Actually, if there's going to be lasting peace, that has to happen. Iran is behind all of this, and it was behind all the crap that's come before, so they will have to be dealt with one way or another.

The US congress just approved $100-million in "humanity assistance" to Palestine. I can't believe they aren't aware that Iran gives them $200-Billion every year, plus a couple million here and there throughout the year. I don't believe our president isn't aware of that, at least.

But maybe he does nap during briefings. I mean, if this assistance is a strategy I sure can't figure out the endgame and who benefits from it.