Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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I've always heard the following two things: History repeats itself - and - Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

One young man interviewed on TV said it's like 1938 all over again & I agree with him. It's not something I thought I would ever see happening in today's day & age.
I never thought I'd see it happening again either. I'm thinking that seeing so many people being oblivious [aka blinded] about what's happening is even more unsettling than the fact it's happening. "Stop this war and play nice" protests are so ridiculous that there's not even a way to respond properly. Have to assume those same people would have been armchair-ordering Hirohito/Yamamoto/Hitler, etc. to "stop! you're hurting innocents!" That would have gotten real far, I'm sure. :rolleyes:
 
@Murrmurr we did have Vietnam on TV, but it wasn't covered 24/7 as it is today.

It wasn't until the first Desert Storm that I really thought about how war coverage on TV changed over the years. When Desert Shield turned into Desert Storm, my Sergeant had a call from home & we found a TV at work to watch as the news was taking place that night. When I got home that night, my Mom & Dad were still up watching.

They told me that during WW2, no one heard anything on the news until days, weeks & sometimes even months after a battle happened. News reel footage of it was only in the theaters. To hear about something almost immediately would have been a something so important they wanted to get out back home to everyone.

For my parents, especially Dad, I watched them watching the live coverage half a world away right before their eyes & I'm not sure how to describe it ... amazed, shocked, awed, surprised, upsetting, etc. I am taking into account what they experienced during WW2 & what they were experiencing then. Not sure if that makes sense :unsure:.
 
The DC elites are spending billions fighting Islamists overseas and now are going to spend millions of your tax dollars to combat Islamophobia at home, How much more money can America afford to spend on Muslims? It has been almost non-stop since 9/11/2001. First the Twin Towers, then al Qaeda, then ISIS, then Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, and now Gaza. After looking at all this Muslim mayhem, when are Americans going to stop and ask what’s wrong with the Islamic ideology that is causing all this and why can't the DC elites see it?

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...gy-but-faces-skepticism-from-muslim-americans
The U.S. doesn't really measure spending in billions these days. You have to talk trillions to get their attention these days.
 
What dumbed down our education is drug & alcohol abuse by parents and students and the dumbing down in certain schools pushing god into their already dumb curriculum. Whole states are guilty of this.
I don't disagree with this but I think that's only a small portion of the issue. Just last weekend we did some research on a university for our grandson. Four years of tuition with a dorm room, books and expenses totals

In sum, residents attending Louisiana State University full time should expect a total annual cost of $33,836. Multiply times 4 years and your bachelor degree will cost you $133,544. You still to pay for food, transportation, and miscellaneous. There's no other "civilized" country that charges anywhere near this amount for an education. In summary, I believe the government can only compete in a global economy if they too have access to a large, very low cost labor force. There's no way to compete with countries like China that don't have to pay a living wage and benefits.
This is from the University's web site: "In sum, residents attending xxxxxxxx State University full time should expect a total annual cost of $33,836."
 
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Hamas planned to push October 7 massacre to the West Bank border - report

Under Hamas's original plan, it would have hit many other major Israeli cities and IDF bases and go as far as the West Bank, where it has allies in the form of local terrorist cells.​

Hamas's original plan for October 7 went beyond just a massacre in the Gaza border area and taking hundreds of hostages, but to continue their assault up to the border with the West Bank, The Washington Post reported Sunday, citing Western and Middle Eastern security officials briefed on collected evidence.

This information was obtained from numerous maps, notes, supplies, and other written instructions found among the bodies of dead Hamas terrorists in the Gaza border area, as well as from interrogations of Hamas captives.

"We know from interrogations that Hamas came in with detailed plans of their attack, including which commander should rape which soldiers in different places," Defense Minister Yoav Gallant explained to The Washington Post.

Hamas planned to go much farther into Israel on October 7

On October 7, Hamas terrorists executed a meticulously planned mass infiltration of Israel, under the cover of a heavy rocket bombardment. There, they managed to wreak havoc on at least 22 Israeli towns and military outposts near the Gaza border throughout the day, killing around 1,200 Israelis and abducting hundreds of people to bring back to Gaza as hostages.

The farthest the Hamas terrorists were able to infiltrate was the city of Ofakim in the Western Negev, around halfway between Gaza and the West Bank.

However, according to the Washington Post article, the evidence suggests they were planning on going much farther, hitting major cities and military bases, and could have ended up making it to the West Bank, where Hamas has allies in the form of many local armed Palestinian terrorist cells.

"If that had occurred, it would have been a huge propaganda win — a symbolic blow not only against Israel but also against the Palestinian Authority," a former US security official told The Washington Post under the condition of anonymity.

This also comes as Israel's attention shifted away from Gaza and Hamas – particularly after the last round of fighting in 2021, Operation Guardians of the Wall – towards the West Bank, which had been seeing a dramatic upsurge in violence and terrorism.

This, however, may have allowed Hamas to discreetly and methodically plot its plan over time, training terrorists and gathering intelligence in the utmost secrecy.

"They were conning Israel on a strategic level, using handheld radios, land-wire networks in the tunnels and other comms that we couldn’t listen to, while using codes on the so-called open networks, which they knew we were listening to," former Israeli National Security Council deputy head Eran Etzion said, according to The Washington Post. "They were creating an alternative reality."

The report further said that this would have come at a high cost, with Hamas knowing the level of Israel's response.

"They were very clear-eyed as to what would happen to Gaza on the day after," a senior Israeli military official told the outlet. "They wanted to buy their place in history — a place in the history of jihad — at the expense of the lives of many people in Gaza."

However, while Hamas may have expected this level of Israeli response, the involvement of the US may have come as a surprise.

"An Israeli response? Yes, we expected that," senior Hamas political leadership member Ali Barakeh told The Financial Times in late October. "But what we're seeing now is the entrance of the US into the battle, and this we didn't count on."

Washington diverted many of its forces to the area amid Israel's launching of Operation Swords of Iron, the latest war with Hamas.

Just a day after Hamas's massacre, the US sent a carrier strike group, featuring the world's largest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, closer to Israel. Later in the month, the US sent Lt.-Gen. James Glynn, a three-star Marine general, and other military officers helped Israel plan its ground offensive into the Gaza Strip.

At the time of writing, Israeli troops have managed to make heavy gains in the northern Gaza Strip, claiming that Hamas has lost control of the area and has encircled Gaza City.

Efforts to free the remaining hostages and eliminate Hamas remain ongoing.
 
Yeah, in the meantime most who were doctors in Russia are driving medi-vans here in NYC as most cannot qualify here as MDs w/out going back to school. So many Russian cardiologists drive car service until they can afford a hack medallion. Their education is not that good.
It depends, I believe, on one's discipline of study, Pepper. When I was still active in nursing, I worked with a few Russian doctors who were temporally granted a trial residency, and they were not up to par at all.
 
I'm more concerned the Ukrainian situation than the middle east.
I do feel for the Palestinian people who suffer at the hands of Israel and Hamas, otherwise I see it as DARVO vs DARVO.
When you compare the number of Israeli-Palestinian Arabs displaced and killed by Israeli Jews to the number of Israeli Jews displaced and killed by Israeli-Palestinian Arabs prior to Oct 7th, 2023, you can't call this a case of DARVO.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment.

(for anyone who's wondering: DARVO; a reaction that perpetrators of wrongdoing might display in response to being held accountable for their behavior...deny, attack, reverse victim, and offender)
 
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If I was Israel I would approve a cease fire in Gaza. While the humanitarian aid was being distributed I would be sending drones to Qatar to take out the heads of Hamas hiding in their mansions. Then I would commence rooting out Hamas in Gaza.
 
If I was Israel I would approve a cease fire in Gaza. While the humanitarian aid was being distributed I would be sending drones to Qatar to take out the heads of Hamas hiding in their mansions. Then I would commence rooting out Hamas in Gaza.
Hamas doesn't honor ceasefires and they block humanitarian aid. They also impede the humanitarian routes to safely for Palestinian women and children, often by shooting them or at least shooting at them.
 
This from the Times of Israel newspaper:

Gallant: Hamas has lost control in Gaza; gunmen who fired from hospital entrance killed
Soldiers photographed with Israeli flags inside Hamas’s parliament building; army details elimination of multiple Hamas commanders in effort to disrupt terror group’s operations
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said Monday that Hamas had lost control in the Gaza Strip, as the Israel Defense Forces moved to fully capture Gaza City.

“There is no force of Hamas capable of stopping the IDF. The IDF is advancing at every location. The Hamas organization has lost control in Gaza: Terrorists are fleeing south, civilians are looting Hamas bases. They have no confidence in the government,” Gallant said, after holding an assessment on the fighting.

Israeli Soldiers - Hamas Parliment Building.jpeg
 
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The Tom Friedman article above seems unrealistic in suggesting that Biden “with the help of our moderate Arab allies, such as the U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Bahrain, we would come up with a plan to overhaul the Palestinian Authority, purge its education system of anti-Israel material, upgrade its forces that work daily with Israeli security teams….”

The Biden administration hasn’t even come up with a plan to overhaul our own government to stop supporting terrorist organizations here at home and to purge our own education system of both anti-Israel material and anti-American material. And to be fair, neither have the previous 3 Presidents. America is becoming a haven for violent Muslim jihadists organizations.

The Long March of Radicalization
City Journal

Pulling back the curtain on Students for Justice in Palestine, a Muslim Brotherhood-backed group that has done much to indoctrinate college students

By now, most readers will have seen the parades of radical student groups, who, following the October 7 terror attack by Hamas massacring 1,400 Israelis, marched across American campuses chanting “We are Hamas” and “Globalize the Intifada.” But few have sought to delve deeper into what brings kids not long out of high school to scream genocidal slogans and intimidate Jewish students. While it’s easy to point fingers at the students, who is influencing them?

The widespread public outrage against the protests is undeniably warranted. But people aren’t born supporting Hamas. What we’re seeing is the result of a long process of indoctrination—and educators linked to the Muslim Brotherhood are at its onset.

Read the rest of the article here:

The Long March of Radicalization
 
At the main Gaza hospital it has turned into the most extraordinary situation ever. I can only presume the information must be very reliable to justify the reasons for this. Or it better be, as the hell just gets worse.
 
At the main Gaza hospital it has turned into the most extraordinary situation ever.
Well no, the Holocaust was more extraordinary, and after the Allies bombed the Nazis out of existance, the Muslim Army of West Pakistan sprang up in 1971 and raped, tortured, mutilated and murdered several million babies and men and women in BanglaDesh, then in 2001 Muslims flew planes into the Twin Towers and 3,000 Americans died horrific deaths, then on Oct. 7 Muslims from Gaza breached the border wall with Israel and raped, tortured and murdered over a thousand men, women. and babies.
 
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