JP Morgan Making Employees Actually Show Up for Work

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CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
We need people with "vision". ROFLOL seriously, dude? I'd be happy with people with some fortitude who know how life goes; who stays off their iphone long enough to take a potty break and not stay in there hiding texting friends while they are on MY DIME to accomplish a mission of the organization!

Don't try to fix something that isn't broke.
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Yes. Vision. Looking forwards and not backwards. If the circumstances you outline are real - then there is a massive failure going on, and it can't be blamed solely on the employees. How are these people getting hired? What is the point in having them around? I know nothing about your business, but damn.

IMO.

Look, we live in times where many teams are virtual. Whether that virtual person is at home, in another state, in another country or even continent, is irrelevant. And it happens each and every day. And note, earlier I stated I preferred being in the office myself. But it's just that, a preference of mine. What I didn't like was two hour commutes one way, and high public transport costs.

Lloyd's bank in London had "virtual desks", which meant no single person had their own desk, desks were assigned on a first come, first served basis. You were given a shoe box for personal affects you wanted on your desk every day. The business thought this a great idea, but everyone either hated it, or insisted on getting the same virtual desk every day. Why? Because human nature is human nature. Good employees appreciate being treated well.
 

I just wanted to add - my experience may well differ from that of others here. I worked in a professional environment, and in some instances highly skilled. If I had been a manager at, say, a McDonald's, then who you can attract is obviously different, with different challenges.

Still, a business shouldn't be hiring bad workers. At the very minimum, you'd want to keep the good people - and to do that, you need a good team focused on the same goal. Work has to be a place people respect and actually enjoy being at.
 
VaughanJB said:
I just wanted to add - my experience may well differ from that of others here. I worked in a professional environment, and in some instances highly skilled. If I had been a manager at, say, a McDonald's, then who you can attract is obviously different, with different challenges.

Still, a business shouldn't be hiring bad workers. At the very minimum, you'd want to keep the good people - and to do that, you need a good team focused on the same goal. Work has to be a place people respect and actually enjoy being at.
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There's a severe worker shortage in almost all industries, so I would guess that managers these days often have to settle for candidates who may not be ideal.
 

VaughanJB said:
I just wanted to add - my experience may well differ from that of others here. I worked in a professional environment, and in some instances highly skilled. If I had been a manager at, say, a McDonald's, then who you can attract is obviously different, with different challenges.

Still, a business shouldn't be hiring bad workers. At the very minimum, you'd want to keep the good people - and to do that, you need a good team focused on the same goal. Work has to be a place people respect and actually enjoy being at.
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Hiring good employees is not easy. DEI restrictions made it an art form. Lead by example, praise in public, punish in private. Know their stories not only their names!
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
@VaughanJB
So you are used to hiring professional degreed employees in tech?
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I never put much stock in degrees. For me, experience beats a degree. But professionals in tech, yes.

I will also stress - I WAS hiring people, I'm trying retirement, which is driving me ever so slightly mad. :D

HermitHogan said:
There's a severe worker shortage in almost all industries, so I would guess that managers these days often have to settle for candidates who may not be ideal.
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In that case, you'd have to adjust expectation. However, the types of things listed earlier were..... well unprofessional actions, and people who didn't seem to care about their job and performance. As for a severe worker shortage - I've never believed that either. I've seen the excuse used to outsource jobs to India though.

Personally, I've never had a job that someone else couldn't learn if they applied themselves and gained the experience. Tech isn't magic, it's a matter of education, whether that be book learning, or experience.

DEI? I always hired the person I thought would either be perfect for the role, or had potential. My favorite hire was a guy from the army who failed my technical interview big time. He was British, but married to a German. He was desperate. I told him that I'd hire him for 12 weeks. In that 12 weeks I would ensure he had everything he needed to gain a certification. If he got the certification, the job was his. If he failed, he was let go. I'm proud of him, since he's in a management role now. He worked hard - and I mean hard. Night and day, 7 days a week. He earned it.
 
In my view, working from home is a scam. On the employee's part. For the last year and 1/2 I was working, I was forced to work from home. When I retired, I was supposed to train my replacement.

My replacement was a young woman with 2 young kids and a husband who was also "working" from home. I went to her house to "train" her. This is what happened: We set up her laptop on her kitchen counter. I guess that is where she thought she was going to work from. In the few hours I was there, her small kids came up to her several times with various kid problems. Then her two big dogs decided they had to come over to get petted. Not just petted, but spoiled. Then, the husband decided to work on the faucet in the kitchen. Right next to where we were "working".

Between the kids, the dogs and the husband, we maybe "trained" for all of a 1/2 hour.

I don't believe that the average worker will be more productive at home. It is just a lot easier on employees.
 
Uptosnuff said:
In my view, working from home is a scam. On the employee's part. For the last year and 1/2 I was working, I was forced to work from home. When I retired, I was supposed to train my replacement.

My replacement was a young woman with 2 young kids and a husband who was also "working" from home. I went to her house to "train" her. This is what happened: We set up her laptop on her kitchen counter. I guess that is where she thought she was going to work from. In the few hours I was there, her small kids came up to her several times with various kid problems. Then her two big dogs decided they had to come over to get petted. Not just petted, but spoiled. Then, the husband decided to work on the faucet in the kitchen. Right next to where we were "working".

Between the kids, the dogs and the husband, we maybe "trained" for all of a 1/2 hour.

I don't believe that the average worker will be more productive at home. It is just a lot easier on employees.
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Of course this is bad. But we have no children, my wife has a separate working room with all equipment and it is absolutely quiet. In such an environment working from home is much more productive as if several times of an hour a colleague comes to ask something or for a little chat. It only depends on the situation. And her company is able to control her work down to milliseconds, as she uses the computer and every action is registered.
 
Uptosnuff said:
In my view, working from home is a scam. On the employee's part. For the last year and 1/2 I was working, I was forced to work from home. When I retired, I was supposed to train my replacement.

My replacement was a young woman with 2 young kids and a husband who was also "working" from home. I went to her house to "train" her. This is what happened: We set up her laptop on her kitchen counter. I guess that is where she thought she was going to work from. In the few hours I was there, her small kids came up to her several times with various kid problems. Then her two big dogs decided they had to come over to get petted. Not just petted, but spoiled. Then, the husband decided to work on the faucet in the kitchen. Right next to where we were "working".

Between the kids, the dogs and the husband, we maybe "trained" for all of a 1/2 hour.

I don't believe that the average worker will be more productive at home. It is just a lot easier on employees.
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There is working from home and working from home.

Why does one unprofessional employee make it a scam in your eyes? You say you were forced into it. It does not suit everyone.
 
Set productivity goals. Set regular meetings - over the net - that people must attend. I you're managing remotely, then there is even more communication than being in the office. Someone who works badly at home is also working badly in the office, just in different ways.

But let me be clear. In my last role I had a woman working with me who had a young child. The child attended child care for most of the day. However, the 9-5 schedule didn't work for her, what with getting the child to school, and picking them up again. Also, the odd doctor appointment etc. She was brilliant! Her work was excellent, but I was very flexible in making the job suit her life schedule. It's compromise on both sides.
 
There are some negatives to working from home. I need not list the + .

10's of millions of Autos not on the road every day morning, evening, all night.
The obvious loss of 100's of millions $$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s in road taxes + Tolls.
Less auto accidents for body shop $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s

More room for the 18 wheelers to compete on.
Fewer people needing new SUV's than before.
More EV Amazing delivery vans.

Less funds to repair all the potholes on the I-states.
More bridge collapses / unsafe bridge closures. Most all County bridges out.
Most likely get few raises or promotions. More lay offs.
No need to travel + 40 miles a day leading to complete social disfunction / distancing.

Smart phone addiction. Deserted Moto Marts! 100,000's of autos setting in storage / junk yards, rusting.
Leveling of mountains to create more storage spaces, multifamily communities.
The failure of most shopping centers, downtown shopping ceasing. More Amazing deliveries.
Most Shopping isles filled with pallets of clutter / impulse buying for the few each day visiting them.
The Constant construction of better Internet / Server needs. Incredible Microwave energy distribution.

A complete cubicle building industry gone, the Company home base / huge cubicle building full or angry people gone.
As the Huge Cities business's no Downtown employees passing, they fold up / no need to worry about hissing waters.
More competition for the Street Gangs.

No more sinking of the Cities due to the weight of the high-rises. Only jobs left are demolition crews. Fewer explosive experts.
Sports move to the Burrows flat open land / fields, no need for parking, no fans watching there, only on pay per view Ai created games!
More time spent with the QR code reader to understand before scanning it / taking its picture.

As time passes employees will eat, sleep, work, drink, party, play from their tiny home / apartment / multi family / Temp home office.
Everyone a holding onto many occupations / careers / Ai games galore.
Snow removal only needed between Warehouses and I-States. Local Deliveries / fire control / LEO will be done with tracked tanks etc.
Millions of unpiloted / self operated drones buzzing all over creations beauty. Basically, a Maze of doubt out there. Confidences lost.
Everyone dressed in Ai controlled Environmental devices. Hallucinations galore. Reality spent. Occasional resets not required.
 
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How much of this is just call center, paper-pushing, parasitic crapola that can be done by customers online now or just cut out entirely?

There are plenty of beans that need picking, potholes needing a shovel, and other far more productive roles for these lilies of the field.
 
papa tiger said:
There are some negatives to working from home. I need not list the + .

10's of millions of Autos not on the road every day morning, evening, all night.
The obvious loss of 100's of millions $$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s in road taxes + Tolls.
Less auto accidents for body shop $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s
More room for the 18 wheelers to compete on.
Fewer people needing new SUV's than before.
More EV Amazing delivery vans.
Less funds to repair all the potholes on the I-states.
More bridge collapses / unsafe bridge closures. Most all County bridges out.
Most likely get few raises or promotions. More lay offs.
No need to travel + 40 miles a day leading to complete social disfunction / distancing.
Smart phone addiction.
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Work life balance is one. I had a 2 hour+ one way commute in my last role (so 4_ hours a day just getting back and forth - and it wasn't my longest ever commute!) Saving that 4+ hours was amazing, and much appreciated.
 
dilettante said:
How much of this is just call center, paper-pushing, parasitic crapola that can be done by customers online now or just cut out entirely?

There are plenty of beans that need picking, potholes needing a shovel, and other far more productive roles for these lilies of the field.
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I agree with someone who earlier posted about privacy. Not all roles can be comfortably done from home. As they mentioned, banking details shouldn't be easily available from someones home. Local government in the UK has a mix of roles that can, and cannot, be done from home.
 
KSav said:
Same here, for about 25 years and still doing it. The flexibility is nice, but my deadlines don't move: Whether one of the kids was screaming from an ear infection or I myself had the stomach flu, I still had to get the work done, unlike in an office job, where if you're sick you just don't go in. It's not the cake walk a lot of people seem to think it is.
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you are so right. people think u sit in your PJ's all day and drink hot cocoa; free to come and go as you please. I had deadlines and if i didn't finish my work for the week, it was waiting for me on the weekends. I never felt like i had free time. It was always hanging over my head. The worst part was paying taxes quarterly because they weren't taking any out. So you had to put that aside and that big check wasn't as big as you thought it was. Also it was isolating. I would say to my husband at end of day, "I haven't talked to a human all day" and he would say "me either" and he worked for the post office!!:ROFLMAO:📬
 
I've worked with people who'd spend half the day (in the office) going around telling everyone how overloaded they were. One guy spent pretty much an entire day showing people slides he took of an eclipse in South America. One guy was promoting an MMA fighting event that he organized. One woman spent half her time talking on the phone to her kids. People would play Fantasy Football in the office.

Some people just don't care about the project, and they're not going to be worth a damn whether they're working in the office or at home.
 
HermitHogan said:
Some people just don't care about the project, and they're not going to be worth a damn whether they're working in the office or at home.
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Indeed. The idea that you're efficient in the office, but not if you're away, is old fashioned and out of touch. You have to adapted. Call me ageist if you want. But traveling on public transport on a Monday and a Friday is horrendous.
 
Making employees show up at the office designation desk site:
Of course it's mostly about control over you; I own your arss!
Only { A } ... would think it a real opportunity to excel ! ... :sick:
 
dilettante said:
There are plenty of beans that need picking, potholes needing a shovel, and other far more productive roles for these lilies of the field.
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Of course.
There are many jobs that cannot be done from home

That doesn't negate that many jobs that were done in offices can now be done at least partly from home.

And making derogatory remarks about every job that isnt physical labour - really? :rolleyes:
 
The reality is pure and simple this is NOT saying SOME are not efficient and do the work but .... many have been slacking off and NOT working and it is a few bad apples scenario. Many companies have did computer history or watched time computer was not actively being used.

I worked remote first part of Covid and saw this first hand some should have been let go with the effort they put in.

Look at the many who "worked" 2 jobs at once ... often got caught doing things like attending meetings and had presentation they made for other job etc. Some starting their own business on employer time etc. I would not like to pay for 40 hours and get 20 in effort. Pure time theft. Some had no problem bragging about this type thing on social media etc ... then surprise and shocked when One or BOTH places said no thanks and fired them.

For those successful and self motivated, why do they not see it may be the attitude of their co-workers not the company being mean to end remote.
 
January said:
And making derogatory remarks about every job that isnt physical labour - really? :rolleyes:
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This is nonsense, and you know it.

Of course there are roles of productive value that do not involve physical labor, they just aren't the ones that can be done from home by and large.

These jobs are more productive in the office, which is why notorious skinflints like Morgan are returning workers there.
 
Jeni said:
The reality is pure and simple this is NOT saying SOME are not efficient and do the work but .... many have been slacking off and NOT working and it is a few bad apples scenario. Many companies have did computer history or watched time computer was not actively being used.

I worked remote first part of Covid and saw this first hand some should have been let go with the effort they put in.

Look at the many who "worked" 2 jobs at once ... often got caught doing things like attending meetings and had presentation they made for other job etc. Some starting their own business on employer time etc. I would not like to pay for 40 hours and get 20 in effort. Pure time theft. Some had no problem bragging about this type thing on social media etc ... then surprise and shocked when One or BOTH places said no thanks and fired them.

For those successful and self motivated, why do they not see it may be the attitude of their co-workers not the company being mean to end remote.
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I did not have time to worry about my coworkers happiness. Making quota paid my check!
 

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