Learning About Transgender People

You are mistaken , the hormones , cause the structural change the not the other way around. Study done in 2010 in spain not even accepted in the usa. In a psychiatric journal no less. You wouldn't even dare mention this in the MD lunch room.

please google someplace like Seattle to see how many HRT business there are. The entire field has jumped light years.
 

Who cares if it isn't accepted in the USA? What is the USA? God? Good grief.

Besides rt, the point is, transgender people are born different, no matter what the reason. End of story and they are the only ones to decide what makes them happy. Not you. Not some minister, not me or anyone else. They decide. So maybe it's time the rest of us get over it and mind our own business. Our 'opinions' don't matter.

That's the trouble with this whole world, 7 billion people minding everyone elses business. The only time we should not countenance someone else's behaviour is when they are hurting others. That's it. Other than that, if we have nothing nice to say, we should just button it.
 
Transgenders are not born different you are having a very difficult time accepting that the chemicals are causing the change. Could be diet or lack of diet miss coded DNA any combination of, over several years of cell turn overs.

What was the statistical group size of their MRIs, were they tAken over a period of time, to trace growth against hormone lab values was a separate group run that was given hormones given Mri as a control

Voodoo studies are down all around the world like this and not accepted in USA because they are not stringent enough. Get over it.
 

rt3 said:
Transgenders are not born different you are having a very difficult time accepting that the chemicals are causing the change. Could be diet or lack of diet miss coded DNA any combination of, over several years of cell turn overs.

What was the statistical group size of their MRIs, were they tAken over a period of time, to trace growth against hormone lab values was a separate group run that was given hormones given Mri as a control

Voodoo studies are down all around the world like this and not accepted in USA because they are not stringent enough. Get over it.
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If those hormones are affecting the unborn fetus and it is 'coming out of the womb' with differences, then that person is born different. Their brains obviously develop differently and they have different perspectives in life as a result. You can argue semantics all you want, but they are born different.

And I'm not the one who is telling them, they are wrong, evil, faking it, screwy in the head or anything. I'm saying, they feel the way they feel and it's not up to you (and all your chemical issues) or anyone else to say that they can't find their own happiness in whatever form it takes. I'm saying, that it is only up to them to walk their journey and I will only wish them well on it.

The rest of the world is not as ignorant as you would like to think they are.
 
Surely the bottom line is that for whatever reason when it comes to their gender physical characteristics some people live in different reality than the majority and are entitled to be treated equally in every way as the people of the gender physical characteristics that they identify with.

In EVERY way.
 
Debby said:
If those hormones are affecting the unborn fetus and it is 'coming out of the womb' with differences, then that person is born different. Their brains obviously develop differently and they have different perspectives in life as a result. You can argue semantics all you want, but they are born different.

And I'm not the one who is telling them, they are wrong, evil, faking it, screwy in the head or anything. I'm saying, they feel the way they feel and it's not up to you (and all your chemical issues) or anyone else to say that they can't find their own happiness in whatever form it takes. I'm saying, that it is only up to them to walk their journey and I will only wish them well on it.

The rest of the world is not as ignorant as you would like to think they are.
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the differences is taxonomic ;not semantics.. Down syndrome as an example, 1 dropped set of chromosomes, some others are diabetes, could go own but the ignorance is overwhelming. these conditions are not reversible with drugs or hormones. symptoms perhaps but not the condition. trans gender yes.
 
aeron said:
Surely the bottom line is that for whatever reason when it comes to their gender physical characteristics some people live in different reality than the majority and are entitled to be treated equally in every way as the people of the gender physical characteristics that they identify with.

In EVERY way.
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couldn't agree more, maybe you've worked with the Special Olympics a couple of years, or with kids born without limbs so perhaps you know this more in depth.
 
rt, I think you don't care about other people finding their way through this life and being happy unless it matches your picture of how the world should be. Imagine if the world was filled with people who don't accept anyone who is different? Sad, frightening, dangerous....reminds me of my mother (I spent an hour on the phone with her yesterday listening to her complain about everything and everybody that came into the discussion.)

And maybe you need to reread what aeron wrote in that post you agreed to. I don't think he's agreeing with you at all. You want to change them with hormone therapy, I think aeron is saying accept them as they want to be.
 
In later life when women throw down the apron put the pants on, start thinking about business ventures, face thins, skin thickens, hair thins, alopecia sets in, menopause. Estrogen and progesterone lab levels on or slightly below the level FOR THEIR AGE group aw shucks thats the way its supposed to me, nature intended.
called this menopause because the nomenclature was established way back when. Cognitive identity changes depending on hormone levels. dose dependent
late mature gender identity crisis, you can add a trans in there if it makes you feel better

In later life when men say to hell with it, take up janitorial duties, skin smooths hair gets really long in ears, eyebrows etc. specifically stimulated by estriol a by product of increased estrogen levels. Called andropause.
Nomenclature somewhat recent around 60s. Lab values on testosterone way below 200 but considered normal FOR THEIR AGE group. no libido wears paisley shirts. Golf buddies kid about about crying over missed putts.
late mature gender identity crisis'

both cases can be helped with appropriate hormone therapy

or were they just born that way and the changes in physical structure hadn't "matured" enough to exhibit the "outside shell" effects.
 
Debby said:
rt, I think you don't care about other people finding their way through this life and being happy unless it matches your picture of how the world should be. Imagine if the world was filled with people who don't accept anyone who is different? Sad, frightening, dangerous....reminds me of my mother (I spent an hour on the phone with her yesterday listening to her complain about everything and everybody that came into the discussion.)

And maybe you need to reread what aeron wrote in that post you agreed to. I don't think he's agreeing with you at all. You want to change them with hormone therapy, I think aeron is saying accept them as they want to be.
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by resorting to a ad hominem argument you have already lost, take a look in the mirror ill bet you see your mother

I am saying that hormone therapy helps all these people accept themselves which is the basis of the cognitive problem, what other people do and think is their choice, I am not trying to tell them as you are doing by inserting some moral framework.
 
rt3 said:
by resorting to a ad hominem argument you have already lost, take a look in the mirror ill bet you see your mother

I am saying that hormone therapy helps all these people accept themselves which is the basis of the cognitive problem, what other people do and think is their choice, I am not trying to tell them as you are doing by inserting some moral framework.
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Emotions are a gift to us because they are the catalyst that spurs us on to action. By denying the emotions of any given situation or moment, you've effectively tied one hand behind your own back which makes it possible to not care and not do anything or maybe just not accept them for who they want to be.

And while I'd only be guessing because I've never had a reason to research this particular thing out, but I'd be guessing that the main reason those transgender folks might be taking any hormones, is not to make their brains match the body they've been born with, but perhaps to suppress some of the 'wrong gender' physical traits that they are trying to overcome. If that were the case, then I'd fully support them.

On the other hand, if you are suggesting that they take hormones that will make them act or settle to be 'like' the gender they aren't comfortable with, then I'd say they probably weren't being true to themselves and I hope they find their own path. And rt, I'm not trying to fit them into any moral framework. Their life, their gender, their choice.

(and by the way, I disagreed with you, and made some observations based on the things you've said. If I was mistaken, and you do want them to have their surgeries and change so that they become comfortable in their own skin, then I apologize. If you don't mind that they are 'different', then I apologize for that....but just going by what you've said....)
 
Absolutely, they are bioidentical.

The great confusing part is the hormones offered by big pharm are conjugated and/or synthetic. This allows them to patent control and get the big bucks. These are the ones you hear about in the press with the problems. Premarin, provera.j
How can something your body makes be bad for you if your just low on the amt. that's why they are called hormones and not drugs. Premarin cannot be called that by law it must called conjugated estrogen, a seemingly innocuous difference but considerable to medical community.

when an older person gets there labs they come back testosterone normal as an example for males. This means around 50.

i don't want an old persons shit I want hormones of a 20 year old. Around 200. And I do have that. 20 year old on all of them.

This is just an example, this includes thyroid, estradiol, pregnenolone etc.
50000 women died last year because they didn't get estradiol

every hormone is converted or can be converted to one of the other hormones by the body. The system is not one little black box with stuff in stuff out. It is a very complex interwoven to which the concentration off each individual is a periodic pendulum.

ill get you some good info from NCBI national center for biological information and NIH , peer reviewed with references.
 
If you have time with all that's happin

ncbi.nim.nih.gov

prenatal endocrine influences on sexual orientation and on sexually differentiated childhood behavior. Melissa Hines
 
Search for HRT in your area, Google, check around for the best one. Search for compounding pharmacies and not chains etc. that happen to do compounding also
 

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