Sorry, I posted umpteen posts before and if you didn't understand what I said then, me repeating myself now isn't likely to change anything. Especially since you asked me a question you had asked me and I had answered already - clearly you aren't trying as hard as you say if you dont read my answers.
I have read your replies. We just seem to be unable to understand each other, separated, as they sometimes say, by a common language.
I would say not. But who cares?
Any variation on consenting adults is fine by me.
It's simply an interesting point, there's no reason for you, or others to
care. I'll give you an example of why it's interesting - I disagree with you. Of course they're homosexual. To be clear, this isn't a question based on what is "fine by me". I don't mind if someone is gay, trans, or whatever. We're all humans, and should be treated as such. It's simply another point in the debate of trans people by, apparently, mostly heterosexuals.
No it isn't.
If everyone in a discussion knows what is meant by a phrase, nitpicking for 'clarity' is just nitpicking.
See, this is something else we disagree on. Again, I wonder how you've not picked up on this while watching debates/interviews on the topic. The word "gender" is constantly used to blur the line, and is usually followed by the argument that the line is so blurred, it no longer matters.
surely it depends what your definition of homosexual is doesn't it?? bring it on babe - let the hormones jingle!!
We don't need to quibble over ones definition of "homosexual". The word has been adequately defined for a long time. The word already has a well established meaning: "sexually or romantically attracted to people of one's own sex." Your comment touches on the argument Oslooskar is making. Words matter. Words have meanings. We should be careful to ensure we have a common understanding of what that is, but the source isn't your opinion, it's detailed elsewhere, in places like dictionaries.
It was a privilege to be a part of what must of been a horrendous and dangerous process. Chandra had been in the service. Looked very masculine. But felt like a woman. By the time I went to college I could only think of her as a woman. Kind, funny and brave. She left and went to las vegas…hope she had a wonderfull life there.
Still, in our society, it's brave to discuss ones sexuality, especially if it's not heterosexual. Heterosexual people never have to explain their choice.
Coming out as trans, and going through with the surgeries etc, isn't for the faint-hearted. [INSERT: I just did a cursory search, and I found a number of 25% of trans people go through with surgical changes, leaving an awful lot that do not.] That's a shame, but any time something "out of the ordinary" happens, you can expect a period of difficulty.
I was around for one transition in the world place, and all I can say is - it was very very difficult for most everyone. Homosexuals I've come across far more often. This includes the horror of watching a colleague lose their mind due to AIDS. He worked for as long as he could, but it came to a point when he could no longer remember things. He was a young man, a really lovely guy. A couple months after having to stop work, he died. A terrible, terrible, thing.
If accuracy is “nitpicking,” then you’ve already conceded the point. Language shapes perception, and phrases like “becoming the other gender” carry implications, intended or not, of a literal transformation. If we agree biology hasn’t changed, then why defend language that implies it has? Clarity isn't pedantry when the distinction affects law, policy, and public understanding. You can’t have meaningful discourse without precise language, unless the goal is to blur lines rather than define them.
This is becoming a topic all by itself. I guess this why propaganda works? Language is vital to us all, but words have meaning, and in expression they have a context. If we start blurring lines, and introducing personal opinion into the meaning of a word, then we're open to all kinds of abuse and misinformation, imo.
we haven't all agreed that biology has or hasn't changed - a thorough exam by say a neurosurgeon or psychologist or such kind of scientist could very well find that there are molecular changes /chemical changes /neuro changes - that have probably not been examined yet that would demonstrate that in fact molecular biology has changed in such individuals and this is why the 1. feel more comfortable in a new skin and 2. definitely feel wholly like a new gender - all we look at presently is surface layers and then make wild judgements and statements? -
Smiley - love ya, but this is just totally off the wall. Can you give a single example of what you mean? In context of this discussion, let's try and keep it simple: Has a trans woman ever grown a uterus?
Only to you. nobody else takes it to mean one literally changes one's DNA or chromosomes.
So, a quick somewhat unrelated story. A few years ago I watched a video on Youtube of a young couple arguing. The lady had previously had a nose job, and it was now a different shape. The argument was thus: She was convinced that her children would have (likely) her new nose shape, not the one she was born with. The boyfriend was trying to tell her that, in this example, this is not how genetics work.
yes it is just you who takes (or pretends to take) the phrase 'transitioning to other gender' to mean one literally changes one's DNA
Gahhhhh! Sorry, January. I know you don't find my views on this that interesting, but I can't leave this here (although feel free to ignore my response).
See, this is why this matters. This is why I mentioned Sports as an example. By claiming to have changed to the opposite sex, means the person inherits all the special circumstances and rights of a specific group. When sports have a "Men" and "Women" competition, what is meant by it? In the past, it was simple - it meant biological (DNA based) difference between the two. There has never been a DNA reference given, we all knew what a man was, and what a woman was.
But now, by using unspecific language, we have allowed men to enter the women's competitions. Why and how? Because we have allowed the language to become unspecific and blurred. So now, when it comes to some sports, DNA has been rendered irrelevant - we are the gender we choose to be. See? This is why language matters.
) posting sarcastic posts doesn't make you look any more credible though
