Major U.S. cities, gripped with crisis, now face spike in deadly shootings, including of children.....

JaniceM said:
In my opinion, that's nothing but an excuse... the same excuse given for the upswing in domestic abuse and child abuse... there are other ways of dealing with stress than injuring or killing people.
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Of course it is but I can’t change that reality any more than you can so don’t shoot the messenger. It’s a disheartening fact that people become nasty when stressed and take it out on others in a violent ways. Humans are barbaric. Always have been and always will be regardless of my opinions & feelings about it
 

Keesha said:
I’m sorry but you can’t even compare the two countries when it comes to gun violence. Gun violence is going up in every country because violence has. People are extra stressed due to this virus and desperate people use desperate measures.

Most of Canada doesn’t carry the same attitude about guns as the Americans, mainly because they are illegal and I’m really glad they are.

Of course we still have violence in Canada but it’s minimal in comparison and that takes population into consideration.
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No need to be sorry. Try to recognize most American's feel the same about gun violence which is different than how they feel about guns. Comparing violence or use by those hell bent of misuse is the underlying issue.

Maybe the last line of my post comparing a city (Chicago) to Toronto instead of countries is clearer.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I just can't figure out how you can shoot someone if you don't have a gun.
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Use of a gun is easier & less personal. There is a Netflix series "The Last Kingdom" that shows how violence and the use of spears & swords were just as effective. Aside from that guns lay useless until bullets ,shells or what ever is used to target practice, hunt or use illegally are put into the gun.
 
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Knight said:
No need to be sorry. Try to recognize most American's feel the same about gun violence which is different than how they feel about guns. Comparing violence or use by those hell bent of misuse is the underlying issue.
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How can most Americans feel the same way about gun violence without changing how the feel about guns?
They go hand in hand. Sure a violent person can still be violent and cause damage without a gun but they can’t do nearly as much damage in such a short amount of time as they can with a one. If they are a common item in every household then any Tom, Dick or Harry that loses it, has easy access to instantly kill. How do you not make the connection?

Like Starsong states: other countries in the world have the same mentality and it has proven to work. If you refuse to make the connection, then the common sense is lost.
 
Keesha said:
If someone is falsifying information about the country I live in I’ll correct them if I want. If you don’t like it. Tough!
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See post below, I was responding to another post and didn't mean to paste your text in. My apologies.
 
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JimBob1952 said:
911, I agree with you that the Second Amendment should not be an obstacle to reforming gun laws.

However, I would point out that, while we are awash in legal and illegal firearms, gun homicides have dropped dramatically in recent years. This is from Pew Research:

But the number of gun murders remained far below the peak in 1993, when there were 18,253 gun homicides – and when overall violent crime levels in the U.S. were much higher than they are today.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

So there doesn't seem to be much correlation between gun homicides (dropping) and gun ownership (rising).

Am I missing something? Your viewpoint is really valuable here.
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That may be so, but I know at least 6 little kids would probably be still alive today had the shooter not had a gun. They aren't going to stab a child, unless they are deranged.
 
911 said:
That may be so, but I know at least 6 little kids would probably be still alive today had the shooter not had a gun. They aren't going to stab a child, unless they are deranged.
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I'm personally anti-gun. Don't own one, don't like them, and wouldn't care if they were legislated out of existence tomorrow. Just pointing out that increased gun ownership has not been an indicator of increased gun homicides.
 
My Dad was an armorer for the National Guard....After my parents sold their home they decided to live in the NG apartment...I was 18 years old..
My Dad was waiting to retire for a couple of years and Mom and Dad would buy a new home....So I lived with them and had a job....We also
had our engagement to my boyfriend in the Armory.... I have to say it wasn't in a very nice community....I worked in another town and had
to come home in the dark....So one day Maybe a Soldier, was in the parking lot....I was very scared, I didn't know he was a Soldier, he didn't have
a uniform on....So I stayed in the car....We didn't have cell phones then, so I couldn't ever phone my parents in the upstairs apartment...
So I started the car and tried to get out of the parking lot....The guy stopped me....I wouldn't open the window....I told him my Dad is
the Armrer. Mr. A.....He said yes I know him....I still didn't open the window....I told him if you know my dad, please go upstairs of the
apartment and get my Dad....He did.....What the problem was,, he had a gun out in his hand....
So he went to get my Dad.....My Dad was out of control with the guy....He told him what makes you put your gun out with my daughter in
the parking lot....The guy was scared, cause my Dad lived in the apartment and was the man who took care of the Armory...
I know this may be silly, but it's still like that.....Too many guns....That some people don't really know how to keep a gun....

, but sometimes things come back to you 50 years later.....I don't trust anyone I don't know anymore....People don't even
talk to people in the store's....We all have masks on... People don't even say hello or excuse me...cause the stupid masks are on their face...
I'm old and don't even want to go out of my yard....(I had to get that off my soul)
Be Well, everyone....And Safe...
 
StarSong said:
If that's all you gleaned from the protests after the police brutality murder of George Floyd, I truly don't know how to respond to you.
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Well, StarSong, let’s be fair. I know that you are, or at least come across, as someone that is reasonable. So, what are the positives that have come from Mr. Floyd’s murder? I wish that the House had passed Senator Tim Scott’s bill for police reform. He offered the House the opportunity to add to his amendments or vote on it as is, but they just flatly said no. We really needed to get reform started and to kick it all off, the police were supportive of it also.

So, what positive gains have we achieved? Awareness? Yes, I agree, but we need something that has teeth. It’s actually gone the other way with all the violence. And, I’m still upset with all the children that have been killed.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I just can't figure out how you can shoot someone if you don't have a gun.
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You can't. Then you have to use a knife, baseball bat, tire iron, big rock or perhaps your car. Guns don't kill people, never saw or heard of a gun walking over to anyone and discharging. People kill people. Responsible gun owners don't go around killing people.
 
911 said:
If I had my way, Ilhan Omar would be sent back home to live in the squalor she did before coming to America. Too soon she has forgotten.
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I'm hoping that, rather than being sent to Somalia, she'll be sent to jail for spending $900,000 of campaign money on her new husband's firm. But she's "woke" so she probably won't be prosecuted.
 
People kill people, but people still can shoot people if they don't have a gun. It disingenuous to allude that the gun is not a weapon, designed to kill. It's used in wars for a reason. And who has this "responsible gun owners" test that we're supposed to use to weed out those "unresponsible gun owners"., who are the ones going "around killing people."
 
fuzzybuddy said:
People kill people, but people still can shoot people if they don't have a gun. It disingenuous to allude that the gun is not a weapon, designed to kill. It's used in wars for a reason. And who has this "responsible gun owners" test that we're supposed to use to weed out those "unresponsible gun owners"., who are the ones going "around killing people."
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It's a major dilemma. Criminals, almost by definition, don't pay attention to gun laws. My proposed solution is to ban the manufacture, sale and ownership of semi-automatic weapons, on a national basis. At least if people have to use clunky revolvers and bolt-action rifles there would be a reduction in lethality. People who like to hunt could still own weapons, just not semi-automatic ones.
 
Keesha said:
How can most Americans feel the same way about gun violence without changing how the feel about guns?
They go hand in hand. Sure a violent person can still be violent and cause damage without a gun but they can’t do nearly as much damage in such a short amount of time as they can with a one. If they are a common item in every household then any Tom, Dick or Harry that loses it, has easy access to instantly kill. How do you not make the connection?

Like Starsong states: other countries in the world have the same mentality and it has proven to work. If you refuse to make the connection, then the common sense is lost.
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Which other countries? Comparing apples to apples works for me.
 
JimBob1952 said:
It's a major dilemma. Criminals, almost by definition, don't pay attention to gun laws. My proposed solution is to ban the manufacture, sale and ownership of semi-automatic weapons, on a national basis. At least if people have to use clunky revolvers and bolt-action rifles there would be a reduction in lethality. People who like to hunt could still own weapons, just not semi-automatic ones.
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That makes sense
 
Have to put my thinking cap on for this one...

The Associated Press
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Still reeling from the coronavirus pandemic and protests over the George Floyd killing, cities around the nation are facing another challenge: a surge in shootings that has left dozens dead. Experts say the spike in violence defies easy explanation.
 

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