Many Healthcare Workers Refusing Vaccine

garyt1957 said:
The article also lumps nursing home workers in as health care workers but most nursing home workers are aides with no formal education, they do the dirty work (and God bless them for that) but it's not like these are people who have nursing school degrees or doctorates, etc. I imagine it also includes the janitors, etc so maybe not the most educated people. And I say that with all respect but just to point out when we hear health care workers you tend to think of nurses and Doctors.
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The facilities will just mandate it at some point like they do the flu shot here in NY.
Take the shot or wear a mask or there’s the door
 

Becky1951 said:
But we're not talking about asking for medical advice.

We're talking about people refusing the vaccine.
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It is about changing the narrative that is all ............ reluctance in this is valid.............. so some resort name calling or to questioning a persons intelligence. Then people act surprised why others were offended and stay divided.

If you spend any time in a hospital you might find you have far more interaction with the very people that some want to question their intelligence .... far more .......then a doctor maybe even nurse.

This discussion will only go round and round ..... some people want shot .......... and others do NOT.

This campaign by some in media etc to categorize and insult those whom do not want shot .... only looks bad for them.
Not civil enough to accept others may disagree with their assessment.........so then they want to FORCE others to make the same decision as them.

If people want it and get it fine I hope they all have no issues ......
but as the facts show some people have bad reactions and there is nothing but guesses as to why.....

I really do not see why they are pushing this on people whom already had virus ........as they should have natural occurring antibodies without prompting their immune system again ........ most of the bad issues have been when the immune system goes into overdrive.......
 
Becky1951 said:
It's true we think of only Dr's and nurses.

But once again, higher education does not always equate to higher intelligence. To imply those with a lower level education is without the intelligence to make an informed decision is degrading IMO.
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There is however most likely a difference in the level of knowledge that doctors and nurses have and need in their professions that aren't required by others. I myself wouldn't say the other health workers are less intelligent. But I'm willing to bet that most of them are ignorant of some of the background information that a doctor or a nurse would use in deciding whether or not to be vaccinated.

Ignorance is a curable condition in many cases.
 
I think the title of the article is somewhat of a false narrative. What I am trying to point out is that not all healthcare workers are on an even playing field for their knowledge of vaccines and human health. So by lumping all healthcare workers together we can't really assess what the reluctance and/or refusal of health care workers really means.

We need to know what percentage of doctors are choosing to not be vaccinated. We also need to know what the percentages of nurses, orderlies, health aides, etc... choosing not to be vaccinated. That would be more useful information for anyone trying to make their own decision.

As I said earlier I consider the article to be a nothing burger.
 
asp3 said:
There is however most likely a difference in the level of knowledge that doctors and nurses have and need in their professions that aren't required by others. I myself wouldn't say the other health workers are less intelligent. But I'm willing to bet that most of them are ignorant of some of the background information that a doctor or a nurse would use in deciding whether or not to be vaccinated.

Ignorance is a curable condition in many cases.
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True they don't have that knowledge or access to it.

And the Dr's and nurses who have that knowledge have No knowledge of future side effects that may occur, unless their Psychic. Not enough people have been vaccinated yet to really know anything. It's just opinions.

Like yours and mine.

If people are interested in knowing all they can before deciding for themselves, then
I'm fairly certain that people know how to access the internet to read research articles and articles of opinion. And decide for themselves. Even a 5 year old knows how to get online.

So to assume its lack of education that results in their decision is erroneous imo.
 
asp3 said:
I think the title of the article is somewhat of a false narrative. What I am trying to point out is that not all healthcare workers are on an even playing field for their knowledge of vaccines and human health. So by lumping all healthcare workers together we can't really assess what the reluctance and/or refusal of health care workers really means.

We need to know what percentage of doctors are choosing to not be vaccinated. We also need to know what the percentages of nurses, orderlies, health aides, etc... choosing not to be vaccinated. That would be more useful information for anyone trying to make their own decision.

As I said earlier I consider the article to be a nothing burger.
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Agree 💯%
 
We've a good friend who is both a very healthy senior and working nurse. She called us the weekend to tell us she now has COVID. I was told she got the vaccine earlier in the week. One picture does not a movie make but it is a data point.
 
Jeni said:
It is about changing the narrative that is all ............ reluctance in this is valid.............. so some resort name calling or to questioning a persons intelligence. Then people act surprised why others were offended and stay divided.

If you spend any time in a hospital you might find you have far more interaction with the very people that some want to question their intelligence .... far more .......then a doctor maybe even nurse.

This discussion will only go round and round ..... some people want shot .......... and others do NOT.

This campaign by some in media etc to categorize and insult those whom do not want shot .... only looks bad for them.
Not civil enough to accept others may disagree with their assessment.........so then they want to FORCE others to make the same decision as them.

If people want it and get it fine I hope they all have no issues ......
but as the facts show some people have bad reactions and there is nothing but guesses as to why.....

I really do not see why they are pushing this on people whom already had virus ........as they should have natural occurring antibodies without prompting their immune system again ........ most of the bad issues have been when the immune system goes into overdrive.......
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Its been shown the antibodies only last 3-5 months, after having covid. So those folks do not have long term immunity. The Moderna vaccine has been shown to be effective for a year and probably 2-3 years; guessing Pfizer is similar, I'd have no problem getting a booster every year to help the country and ourselves get back to normal. We miss our family and this is no way to live long term.
 
JonDouglas said:
We've a good friend who is both a very healthy senior and working nurse. She called us the weekend to tell us she now has COVID. I was told she got the vaccine earlier in the week. One picture does not a movie make but it is a data point.
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You aren't protected from covid until 10 days or so after the 2nd shot. You can become infected until then as your body has not built up sufficient immunity.
 
Becky1951 said:
And the Dr's and nurses who have that knowledge have No knowledge of future side effects that may occur, unless their Psychic. Not enough people have been vaccinated yet to really know anything. It's just opinions.
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But in the case of the doctors and nurses as a group I trust them to have more knowledgeable opinions. I don't think one needs to be a psychic to have a reasonable opinion regarding the potential side effects of a vaccine. Although these vaccines are completely new types of vaccines for humans in their education and training might have provided more knowledge about elements of the vaccines that most people wouldn't be aware of. They may have a better understanding of how foreign RNA affects humans and that may very well be part of their training on how the human body builds immunity.
 
Liberty said:
Its been shown the antibodies only last 3-5 months, after having covid. So those folks do not have long term immunity. The Moderna vaccine has been shown to be effective for a year and probably 2-3 years; guessing Pfizer is similar, I'd have no problem getting a booster every year to help the country and ourselves get back to normal. We miss our family and this is no way to live long term.
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So an inactive type virus in a vaccine......... the antibodies last more than a year .... but a real invasion of virus and your body fights off successfully ...... but forgets in 3-5 months ....

I am not sure i am buying into that.....
No this is no way to live...... i agree................ but too much of this has gone too far and we will never return to normal ........
 
Sadly, regardless of levels of education, in this particular climate we have many people getting their info from elected officials. Senators, Reps, and the like are the sources for many folks

Listen to the comments, regarding the present virus, then pay attention to the views of the same folks regarding politics. In the majority of cases these views tend to align although you'd be hard put to find anyone that would own up to this farcical thinking.
 
Liberty said:
Its been shown the antibodies only last 3-5 months, after having covid. So those folks do not have long term immunity. The Moderna vaccine has been shown to be effective for a year and probably 2-3 years; guessing Pfizer is similar, I'd have no problem getting a booster every year to help the country and ourselves get back to normal. We miss our family and this is no way to live long term.
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"The Moderna vaccine has been shown to be effective for a year and probably 2-3 years"

Do you have a site reference for that?
 
DaveA said:
Sadly, regardless of levels of education, in this particular climate we have many people getting their info from elected officials. Senators, Reps, and the like are the sources for many folks

Listen to the comments, regarding the present virus, then pay attention to the views of the same folks regarding politics. In the majority of cases these views tend to align although you'd be hard put to find anyone that would own up to this farcical thinking.
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Unfortunately that happens. I've never trusted politicians, they all have their own agendas.
 
asp3 said:
There is however most likely a difference in the level of knowledge that doctors and nurses have and need in their professions that aren't required by others. I myself wouldn't say the other health workers are less intelligent. But I'm willing to bet that most of them are ignorant of some of the background information that a doctor or a nurse would use in deciding whether or not to be vaccinated.

Ignorance is a curable condition in many cases.
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i think a lot of their refusal to take it has been based on the media hype and not on actual knowledge. that is what i am witnessing among the healthcare providers here where i work.
 
JonDouglas said:
We've a good friend who is both a very healthy senior and working nurse. She called us the weekend to tell us she now has COVID. I was told she got the vaccine earlier in the week. One picture does not a movie make but it is a data point.
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It's my understanding that even after you're vaccinated, you can still get Covid-19. The vaccination prevents you from having severe symptoms and from needing to be hospitalized, so I guess it's like the flu. And you can still transmit the disease to others, so you still need to wear a face mask.
 
Irwin said:
It's my understanding that even after you're vaccinated, you can still get Covid-19. The vaccination prevents you from having severe symptoms and from needing to be hospitalized, so I guess it's like the flu. And you can still transmit the disease to others, so you still need to wear a face mask.
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Same pro-shot quote used for the flu shot. I would expect the makers & sellers to say there is some benefit. After all, we can't very well expect them to say, "It's useless but we want you to get it."
 
win231 said:
Same pro-shot quote used for the flu shot. I would expect the makers & sellers to say there is some benefit. After all, we can't very well expect them to say, "It's useless but we want you to get it."
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The vaccination prevents you from having severe symptoms and from needing to be hospitalized.

That's a pretty good benefit if you ask me, so I'm getting a shot. And I'm all for allowing people to refuse. Natural selection can do its work for them. :)
 
Jeni said:
So an inactive type virus in a vaccine......... the antibodies last more than a year .... but a real invasion of virus and your body fights off successfully ...... but forgets in 3-5 months ....

I am not sure i am buying into that.....
No this is no way to live...... i agree................ but too much of this has gone too far and we will never return to normal ........
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Its like a cold. You can get a cold, but still get another cold in a couple months or so. What I hope could come out of this is new effective vaccines and treatments for ailments that have just been accepted for too long. Vaccines that have the capability of saving untold lives in the future. Hopefully this is just the beginning of what is learned and perfected.

If you don't want to get a vaccine, so don't get one. Its everyone's own decision. I do think we will get back to a "normal"...it will take a while, but it would take way longer to without the vaccines in the picture.

I almost died when I was 6...if there would have been a vaccine for what ailed me then, I'm sure my mom would have got it for me in a New York moment. Instead of having me lay in bed for 9 months.

This is a killer bug, and 95% of all deaths reported are from those over 50 yrs old.
The oldster's are the ones taking the biggest chances...not the younger folks. Personally, I wouldn't want to die that way... painfully sucking for each breath of air, if I could help it.

My dad had emphysema and couldn't cross a room without taking 5 minutes to get his wind back. This is a nasty killer disease to those of us in our golden years.

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-deaths-older-adults.html
 
Irwin said:
The vaccination prevents you from having severe symptoms and from needing to be hospitalized.

That's a pretty good benefit if you ask me, so I'm getting a shot. And I'm all for allowing people to refuse. Natural selection can do its work for them. :)
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This is a brief history of the mRNA vaccine lineage...the reason it jumped to the forefront so quickly and with its use the great hope for the future facilitation of the understanding gleaned from applications today - for the hopeful eradication of other diseases:

https://news.mit.edu/2020/rna-vaccines-explained-covid-19-1211
 
Irwin said:
The vaccination prevents you from having severe symptoms and from needing to be hospitalized.

That's a pretty good benefit if you ask me, so I'm getting a shot. And I'm all for allowing people to refuse. Natural selection can do its work for them. :)
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The issue is not what is claimed; it is whether or not to believe what is claimed.
Just as with the "Death rates due to Covid" or something else, but claimed to be from Covid. It boils down to trust & what one believes.
And, those who believe what is claimed should get the vaccine.
 
garyt1957 said:
As another recovered covid person there's been a few people who've had covid who got the vaccine and had severe reactions including death. There's no consensus on if it's safe for recovered people to get the vaccine. Until I see that I'll hold off awhile.
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Can you believe they don't allow lawsuits!!! That is crazy..Glad I am skipping this one.

Jeni said:
Exactly .... if these shots are so great they would sell themselves and not need either bribes to take from companies or threats of non admittance etc.....
The CDC site is constantly massaging their messages to reflect more PC then science.......
that is why IMO .... CDC lost a lot of credibility over this whole thing........... the ever changing messages ...the fear mongering etc
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Don't forget about the faulty tests from the CDC when there were other available tests that worked... And many conflicting info.. 90 percent effective, 80 percent effective, 60 percent affective, 100 percent effective.... Pick one!!! You can't even know the pecerentage because it is too early!!!!!

I have recieved every vaccine so far I even remember the smallpox vaccine! But this COVID is the only one I do not trust.... Hell we have lived through many sickness I think we know better than anyone hahaha 😉👍
 
If those people are right then science is wrong? The numbers are turning in a positive direction in many areas. Perhaps many of those workers know if they do get it they will be given top priority treatment. Many don't trust the government as many black healthcare workers have expressed fear. I wonder what the numbers in the Tampa Bay area will look like after the partying before and after the Super Bowl.
 

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