Masked police kill a 75 year old grandmother's dog right in front of her !

That Guy said:
"The cops don't need you and they expect the same." -- Mister Zimmerman
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Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues by BOB DYLAN

When you're lost in the rain in Juarez
And it's Eastertime too
And your gravity fails
And negativity don't pull you through,
Don't put on any airs
When you're down on Rue Morgue Avenue;
They got some hungry women there
And they really make a mess outta you.

Now, if you see Saint Annie,
Please tell her thanks a lot;
I cannot move
My fingers are all in a knot.
I don't have the strength
To get up and take another shot
And my best friend, my doctor,
Won't even say what it is I've got

Sweet Melinda,
The peasants call her the goddess of gloom,
She speaks good English
And she invites you up into her room;
And you're so kind
And careful not to go to her too soon;
And she takes your voice
And leaves you howling at the moon.

Up on Housing Project Hill
It's either fortune or fame.
You must pick up one or the other
Though neither of them are to be what they claim.
If you're lookin' to get silly,
You better go back to from where you came,
Because the cops don't need you
And, man, they expect the same.

Now, all the authorities,
They just stand around and boast
How they blackmailed the sergeant-at-arms
Into leaving his post;
And picking up Angel who
Just arrived here from the coast
Who looked so fine at first,
But left looking just like a ghost.

I started out on burgundy
But soon hit the harder stuff.
Everybody said they'd stand behind me
When the game got rough;
But the joke was on me
There was nobody even there to call my bluff.
I'm going back to New York City;
I do believe I've had enough.
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Since a few people have expressed scepticism about this report I did a bit of digging (I'm notorious for that particular irritating trait) and it would appear that there is another version of the tale.

http://www.waynetimes.com/columns/why-david-vara-is-full-of-crap

Apparently, it was a marihuana raid and the police seized over 100 plants.
The family pet was a pit bull and the 75 year old had a pistol licence and a pistol with her in the room.
To me, this shines a totally different light on the situation and things start to make more sense.
 
It is standard practice here for the newspapers to fall in line with the official story, regardless of how warped it may be. The town of Newtown did the same thing after the shooting there.
Despite the fact that their stories were pathetic lies, they refused to let other reporters see any of the records.
They reported first that the shooter was buzzed into the school, came into the office, and talked with people there.
Then they changed that to the story that he shot his way in, and the principal confronted the shooters in the hall. They printed a statement from the principal telling about the incident , and then later reported that the. Principal was the first person shot.
They said that Nancy Lanza was a teacher there, and was shot in the school. They even had a witness,who verified that she had worked with Nancy there, and she was a wonderful teacher. Of course, none of this was true, but they still defended the official story.

If there were well over 50 people from this little town calling on to question what happened on the raid, and wanting to see justice done for the little Grandma, then I think that even though one story was slanted towards defending her, the other version, was definitely slanted towards the police.
The thing is, Warrigal. Things here are often not what they appear to be, especially on the official story lines. Almost all of our news outlets are owned by a few mega corporations, and they tell the local papers what to report.
We often hear the same things, exactly word for word, from the different stations.

Here is a list of the major corporations, and the smaller ones that they own. Most of our local papers have either folded, or been bought out by the large corporations. It is not like reporting used to be, where the reporters really found news and reported it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
 
My late husband was a Policeman and very proud of his job, admittedly he worked in Australia but it upsets me to hear people talk about Police like they do, they have a damn hard job and it makes it near on impossible when the media hype up all the stories to make it appear that all Police are bullies and corrupt,the media have a lot to answer for, all to get a story.
While i admit there are some corrupt Police but the way people are talking it's all Police, come on could you do a better job every day your life is on the line, they go to a job not knowing what they will find or if they will get out alive,they are exposed to the most ghastly murder scenes, they risk their own lives to save people and all they get is disrespect from most of the public.
I have seen my husband in tears while saying all i want to do is save lives,he enjoyed his job but found it hard as they would arrest the criminals all for the Judges to set them free to commit the same offences over & over.
Gone are the days when Police were looked up to and their job was respected, i would like you to walk a mile in their shoes, and see how you would handle it.
So before you abuse the Police i would blame the media first as they have to sell their papers and will write anything for a big sale, i was always taught to believe only half of what they wrote and that was back in the 1950's so it is so much worse now.
 
Warrigal said:
Since a few people have expressed scepticism about this report I did a bit of digging (I'm notorious for that particular irritating trait) and it would appear that there is another version of the tale.

http://www.waynetimes.com/columns/why-david-vara-is-full-of-crap

Apparently, it was a marihuana raid and the police seized over 100 plants.
The family pet was a pit bull and the 75 year old had a pistol licence and a pistol with her in the room.
To me, this shines a totally different light on the situation and things start to make more sense.
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Warrigal, In my opinion, your article refers to another news commentary showing an agenda. The article you refered to seems to have the goal of making another writer look bad.
In my opinion both articles seem to have the intent of stirring up dislike, distrust if not outright hatred.
To me this article while shining the light at a different angle does not make more sense it only stirs the pot. To be honest this article seem to support your preconcieved ideas of what things should be. Please note, I am making a statement based on my understanding of your replies I have read on this forum. This is all I know about you. I do not mean to judge, pardon me please if I seem to do so.
Now I admit, based on some of my experience, I had a different preconcieved idea and that influenced my thinking about and more willing than you to accept the first report. No doubt my doubts about, the article, you refer to are because of those preconcieved ideas of mine.
If things work I am going to refer to a report on the same situation. I believe you will notice a sharp difference between the two. I believe this one to be an example of what news reports should be like.

http://www.waynepost.com/x173945462/Growing-operation-leads-to-family-arrest?img=1
 
".....was always taught to believe only half of what they wrote...."


Jillaroo, I was taught, to believe nothing I hear or read and only half of what I see.
I hope my participation in this thread I have said nothing to show disrespect for your late husband or your memories of him.
 
HappyFlowerLady said:
It is standard practice here for the newspapers to fall in line with the official story, regardless of how warped it may be.
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I have yet to find any reference to this incident in any of the mainstream media.
So far all we have is two very localised and partisan accounts.
Perhaps reality lies somewhere in between?
Sid said:
To be honest this article seem to support your preconcieved ideas of what things should be.
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If I had chosen this one article from a range of opinions then you could be justified in coming to this conclusion.
However, this is all that I was able to find other than many repetitions of the original article.

To explain my thinking further.

You'll remember that I queried why the police would be wearing masks. That seemed to me very odd.
It was suggested that they might have been some sort of SWAT team or undercover.
That doesn't make sense to me either.
As far as I know SWAT teams are clearly identifiable by their clothing and undercover police don't go on raids.
These elements don't fit together in any sensible way in my mind.

I often think of Judge Judy's saying that when a story doesn't make sense it is probably not true.
To me the original story didn't make sense and I began to question it's veracity.
Some more research coming up soon.

Collecting some references :
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/news/602836/arrests-announced-in-wayne-county-marijuana-bust/

Here's another by Davy V suggesting a reason why the police were targeting the Loquestros.
I find little sense in this story either.

And now, even more disturbing details are coming out indicating that Macedon, NY Police Chief John P. Colella may have sent his WayneNET task force to break down the 75 year old Loquasto’s front door, terrorize her and execute her dog as retaliation over the Loquastos complaints over the Macedon Police department’s investigation, or lack thereof, of the death of Phyllis Loquasto’s grandaughter, Chelsea Lynn Bulman.
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Full blog here: http://www.copblock.org/20852/wayne...d-grandmothers-dog-may-have-been-retaliation/

Another by Davy V in which he states that "no arrests were made". This is in direct contradiction to the first link in this post where two males have been arrested and sent to prison.
http://gangstersinblue.org/2012/09/page/9/

I'm thinking that Davy V has an axe to grind and anything he says needs to be independently verified before I would place much weight on it.
I welcome anyone with first hand experience of this sort of police action coming forward to set me straight.
 
Jillaroo said:
My late husband was a Policeman and very proud of his job, admittedly he worked in Australia but it upsets me to hear people talk about Police like they do, they have a damn hard job and it makes it near on impossible when the media hype up all the stories to make it appear that all Police are bullies and corrupt,the media have a lot to answer for, all to get a story.
While i admit there are some corrupt Police but the way people are talking it's all Police, come on could you do a better job every day your life is on the line, they go to a job not knowing what they will find or if they will get out alive,they are exposed to the most ghastly murder scenes, they risk their own lives to save people and all they get is disrespect from most of the public.
I have seen my husband in tears while saying all i want to do is save lives,he enjoyed his job but found it hard as they would arrest the criminals all for the Judges to set them free to commit the same offences over & over.
Gone are the days when Police were looked up to and their job was respected, i would like you to walk a mile in their shoes, and see how you would handle it.
So before you abuse the Police i would blame the media first as they have to sell their papers and will write anything for a big sale, i was always taught to believe only half of what they wrote and that was back in the 1950's so it is so much worse now.
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They have a very tough job none of us want to do and most are quiet heroes. But, it only takes one (and there are way too many) bad cop to paint them all dirty.
 
Great post, Jillaroo ! Even though I have pretty much been arguing against any kind of police brutality, I think that there are many many truly dedicated policemen.
As I said earlier, I grew up in the time when we all looked up to a police officer as a community hero. My folks were personal friends with most of the local police officers, and since my dad worked for the REA, he also knew and worked hand in hand with law enforcement.
My oldest son was a deputy with his county for many years, prior to a bad motorcycle accident, and he still is a reserve deputy, and also works with the local search and rescue, and ham radio team.
My daughter retired out of the military, and still works with contractors for them.
I was a reserve deputy years back, and didn't carry a gun, but helped in Dispatch, and working at county fairs and such where they just needed extra patrol.
So, I meant no offense to your departed husband either. Law enforcement have a hard and thankless job, and most are there because they want to make a difference.
However, like other occupations, there are people that should not be working those jobs, and abuse their power.
In this case, it was not the actual police that created the problem at the start. They were following orders, however, it seems like they went overboard with reacting, and certainly could have made better decisions.
 
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