Masks wearing being reinstated

I have to wear masks at work. At least right now not the N95. Just the blue ones. I haven't stopped wearing a mask when shopping and I don't plan to. I am fully vaccinated since January.

I had to re-test this morning again (we have been doing weekly for awhile now) because an employee came up positive.

I'd say in my area of California only about 10% are wearing masks at this time and that Delta variant could explode here at any time.
 

hollydolly said:
I'm not sure... I've heard Doctors say they've had it done, after they contracted C-19 but not sure if I can go and be tested easily..
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I've just returned from Aldi.. all customers were wearing masks but not one shelf filler was..and they were having loud conversations with each other across the aisles and across the heads of customers.. :eek:
 

JonDouglas said:
I am not an anti-masker! What I try to do is point out the fact that they they're not the protection people think they are. If people want or feel they need to wear them for whatever reason, then fine. I am not one of those people and I try not to use things that mostly don't work and can cause harm. If you're going to mask up a lot, you might want to have your masks tested after some use to understand what's breeding in them..
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What harm do masks cause? I've heard all kinds of goofy claims about the "harm" they cause but do you have any articles stating what the harm actually could be? Just curious.
 
I wonder if masks, lockdowns, etc. are actually contributing to the problem? When people suddenly come out of lockdown, gather together, stop mask wearing, their own immune responses may not be as healthy anymore as people who have not done these things or as they were before masks and lockdowns? Maybe there is no real Delta variant? Maybe this is the result of what has been done to control the virus and it has backfired in a way they did not expect? Maybe they're just calling it a variant to set people up for lots of setbacks in coming months and years they can't fix and can't explain so they will label that a variant and everyone will buy into the myth?

Just thinking out loud. :unsure:
 
chic said:
I wonder if masks, lockdowns, etc. are actually contributing to the problem? When people suddenly come out of lockdown, gather together, stop mask wearing, their own immune responses may not be as healthy anymore as people who have not done these things or as they were before masks and lockdowns? Maybe there is no real Delta variant? Maybe this is the result of what has been done to control the virus and it has backfired in a way they did not expect? Maybe they're just calling it a variant to set people up for lots of setbacks in coming months and years they can't fix and can't explain so they will label that a variant and everyone will buy into the myth?

Just thinking out loud. :unsure:
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..or Lamda variant which is the variant that's going the rounds now here .. apparently much more infectious than any other.. apparently.. but if you believe the news today they say that 50,000 people a day are presenting with new symptoms..

What do they expect when they're allowing thousands to attend events like Wimbledon tennis finals , and 60,000 at Wembley FiFa football finals over the period of one single day...... when we're still supposed to be in semi lockdown... ,

In fact just today they say the majority of new cases are in the average age group of those who attended the sporting events... and..of course... that means 60,000 plus the Wimbledon 21,000 spectators every day over the 14 days .. so we're talking a massive 350,000 people in the space of 2 weeks totally un-masked , and at least 1/2 if not more un-vaccinated..
 
Los Angeles County reinstated the mask mandate yesterday. Doesn't change anything for me. Like most others in my area, I'd continued to wear masks when in stores and other indoor public areas anyway.

From the Los Angeles Times: (bolded emphasis areas within the article are mine)
https://www.latimes.com/california/...-the-unvaccinaed-with-new-indoor-mask-mandate

Los Angeles County’s rise in coronavirus cases over the last two weeks poses a unique challenge.

About 99% of the people getting sick are unvaccinated. Those who have gotten their shots are protected and can get back to normal life after more than a year of pandemic shutdowns.

Officials have been desperately trying to convince those who have not gotten their shots to do so. But with limited success. So the county is now requiring everyone — vaccinated and unvaccinated — to wear masks inside public places.

The vaccines are believed to be essentially as effective against the Delta variant as other variants. And so those who got their shots don’t need a mask to protect themselves.

But officials suspect that unvaccinated people have also stopped wearing masks in indoor public settings and businesses, even though they’re still required to do so.

So vaccinated people are being asked to make a sacrifice to help slow coronavirus spread among the unvaccinated.

Times data show that 51.8% of all Californians are fully vaccinated to date, though wide regional gaps persist. In San Diego County it’s 57%, in Orange County 54.7%, and in L.A. County 52.2%. The rates are much lower in Riverside County (42.1%) and San Bernardino County (39.2%)

Community transmission has accelerated dramatically in L.A. County since California fully reopened on June 15. At that time, the county was averaging 173 new coronavirus cases a day. For the seven-day period that ended Wednesday, the county’s average was 1,077 new cases a day. On Thursday, the county reported 1,537 additional cases.

Countywide, COVID-19 hospitalizations increased over that same period — from 223 on June 15 to 452 as of Wednesday. Still, cases and hospitalizations are more than 93% below what they were at the peak of the winter surge. And deaths remain at historically low levels, averaging about seven a day.

Although officials don’t expect hospitals to ever be as stressed with COVID-19 patients as they were during the winter surge, the healthcare system could still be significantly affected if trends continue.

“There is still time to take action and protect people through vaccination, since we are starting from a lower baseline rate,” Dr. Roger Lewis, who directed COVID-19 hospital demand modeling for the L.A. County Department of Health Services, wrote in an email. “It is critically important that everyone eligible for vaccination who has not already been vaccinated does so as quickly as possible.”

The county’s latest order is at odds with both the California Department of Public Health and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — both of which continue to maintain that vaccinated people need not cover their faces indoors — and also puts officials in the precarious position of asking the inoculated to forfeit one of the benefits recently enjoyed.

L.A. County got some pushback last month when it recommended mask wearing for everyone indoors. But some other counties are now following suit, and the California Department of Public Health said it “supports local health departments, like Los Angeles County, making stricter policies based on the conditions in their community.”

A cadre of Bay Area health officials — representing Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara and Sonoma counties, as well as the city of Berkeley — also issued a recommendation Friday that everyone wear masks indoors while in public places.

Doing so would be “an extra precautionary measure for those who are fully vaccinated” and “ensure easy verification that all unvaccinated people are masked in those settings,” officials wrote in a joint statement.

The new health order goes into effect at 11:59 p.m. Saturday.

Long Beach, which has its own public health department, will align with L.A. County’s order. Pasadena, which also has its own health department, already recommends that everyone — including the fully vaccinated — wear masks in indoor public settings, and the city is “reviewing options for a mandate,” according to a spokeswoman.

The mask rules will essentially revert back to where they were before the county lifted them before the June 15 reopening. At that time, some retailers dropped their mask rules.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Tried to drive today, a no go, can’t move my leg fast enough to get from the gas to the break. 😡 and it’s way too painful to do as I found out.

Yes I know both are getting it. It’s not a failure, they said and said and said and said and then they said it all again repeatedly. 94 to 98 percent effective.

I assume you understood this @win231 So, uh, Win, This means even if you are vaccinated you can still get Covid especially the delta version. But you have a better chance of survival. But hey, glad to hear you now believe there is a virus.

They also said, several times, that NO VACCINE is 100% effective which is why you can get the flu shot and, wait for it, still get the flu 😂😂😂. Which is why my husband, who got the pneumonia vaccine, still got pneumonia, was hospitalized, and still had pneumonia for a month. He gets another recheck soon.

stay safe win.
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I never said there was no virus.
 
Hubby (who's 80) and I (74) haven't ever stopped wearing our masks IF we have to go in any where even though we've been fully vaccinated since February. I don't trust other people. I don't know where they've been or who they've been with. We're just not taking any chances.

Our town is only 38% vaccinated and the ICU at the hospital is full with the delta variant cases.

I found an article yesterday about my husband's Ortho doc that operated on him 9 years ago when he fell from a ladder and shattered his ankle. That doctor saved my husband's foot from amputation. Anyway, that doctor had to have a double lung transplant (he's only 51) because he got Covid in December and his lungs were so destroyed that they knew he would die if he didn't have the transplant. It hit him hard and it hit him fast.

Our unvaccinated kids refuse to get vaccinated and a realtor was in our house the other day and said it was all a hoax and Dr. Fauci was a criminal and he was paying China to make the virus to send over here.

With this kind of mentality, there's no way we will not wear our masks.
 
StarSong said:
If a realtor wasn't fully vaccinated (with proof) I wouldn't let him/her past my front porch. (If one was spouting that kind of ignorant nonsense I would have ditched him/her anyway.)
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We basically hurried her out the door (mostly because of her spewing political crap) but we were in the back yard (standing away from her more than 6 ft.) most of the time. I sprayed the house with Lysol after she left. She did not sit down any where....and she's definitely NOT getting our listing!
 
hollydolly said:
Unfortunately, here its' been reported that 47 % of the C-19 victims this week ( and the numbers infected are rising rapidly).. are people who have had the vaccination...
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Yes, I saw that, too. Doctors are saying that natural immunity is working better than some of the vaccines. They said the J&J vaccine is least effective for people over age 50 and have more serious side effects for people under 50, including kids 18 and under.
 
cdestroyer said:
and to add those vaccinated catching the virus might not be the delta variant type but rather one of the later variants since there have now been 12 of them!!!! caused most likely by unvaccinated people which allows the virus to mutate into a new strain
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Vaccines don't prevent viruses from developing new strains, natural immunity does. Vaccines target specific virus proteins and B-memory/T-memory in our own B and T cells. Those mechanisms don't change when a new strain enters your system. Natural immunity will reprogram your B-cells and T-cells to recognize the new strain so that your white blood cells will attack it. The only time this won't happen is if it's a totally different virus, one with no spike proteins, for example...one that isn't a coronavirus.
 
Murrmurr said:
Doctors are saying that natural immunity is working better than some of the vaccines. They said the J&J vaccine is least effective for people over age 50
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And there is also the interesting article that @hollydolly posted
Elderly given AstraZeneca's vaccine are less likely to have Covid antibodies than those who had Pfizer's, | Senior Forums

I have wondered if you know what percentage of the vaccinated Brits (or seniors) got which of the vaccines, or got the AZ.

In any case, I hope you don't get any type of covid again, Holly.
Same for others of us.
 
I just saw on the news Florida is the hotbed for the new infections. Seems to me masks were laughed at by their governor. Missouri is also in trouble. Don't say we did not warn you.
 
fmdog44 said:
I just saw on the news Florida is the hotbed for the new infections. Seems to me masks were laughed at by their governor. Missouri is also in trouble. Don't say we did not warn you.
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Bet they are not laughing now
 

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