Mill-animal Generation?

Teacher Terry said:
I never said he swore.
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There was a post or two that referenced 'cussing' in his posts. Frankly, I just don't see what everyone's getting worked up about. I took the posts as complaining about the work ethic of the younger generation and I've heard other people talking about this being an issue. Accusations like 'they have no loyalty to a job', they come and go, they don't stay at jobs if it doesn't suit them perfectly or if too much is expected of them..... so I just don't get what's happening here.
 
Debrah N. said:
There was a post or two that referenced 'cussing' in his posts. Frankly, I just don't see what everyone's getting worked up about. I took the posts as complaining about the work ethic of the younger generation and I've heard other people talking about this being an issue. Accusations like 'they have no loyalty to a job', they come and go, they don't stay at jobs if it doesn't suit them perfectly or if too much is expected of them..... so I just don't get what's happening here.
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First he started a thread basically denying that Covid existed and making fun of people that believe it does and then quickly started another negative thread.

Most new members introduce themselves, get to know others and don’t immediately start controversial threads. That’s why everyone is taken aback.
 

I personally get the feeling that there is a "general over-reaction" to the style of this newcomer - IF he is a troll then he will feed off your varied responses - of course threatening him with various actions including banning will resolve the immediate issue - yes that should do it!!
 
Teacher Terry said:
First he started a thread basically denying that Covid existed and making fun of people that believe it does and then quickly started another negative thread.

Most new members introduce themselves, get to know others and don’t immediately start controversial threads. That’s why everyone is taken aback.
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especially as the swear word was in the title of the thread....
 
Teacher Terry said:
First he started a thread basically denying that Covid existed and making fun of people that believe it does and then quickly started another negative thread.

Most new members introduce themselves, get to know others and don’t immediately start controversial threads. That’s why everyone is taken aback.
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Well, he must have changed his entire comment and title then because I don't even see mention of covid. Or 'cussing'....so since everyone else is seeing things that I don't, I'm going to bow out. Obviously no place for me here.
 
Getting back to the original OP’s post, I would agree with some of that, however, I have 5 grandchildren that doesn’t fit the model presented. That doesn’t mean that they are perfect or without fault. They do some things that do unnerve me. My oldest granddaughter is getting married next year in of all places Aruba. We will spend around $5000 to attend a 20 minute ceremony on the beach.

My oldest grandson is a city cop. I even begged him to join the state police, but he says there’s not enough ‘action’ for him. He is following in my footsteps with working 3rd shift only. He just had a great bust by taking down a bank robber and all around thief. He will receive yet another commendation.

My 2 youngest grandchildren are my miracle kids. My youngest granddaughter is going to college to become a Nurse Practitioner and my youngest grandson, who graduates tonight from high school was recruited by a large trucking company to serve in a Diesel Mechanic Apprenticeship, which lasts 4 years of on the job training with all expenses paid. And, he will be a Teamster. Way to go, Jake. The kid was born with a wrench in his hand.

But then, I have been around and “helped” (I use that term loosely) by some very young kids, meaning under the age of probably 24. I have noticed that some of today’s kids mature at a later age. Most kids are really respectful and try their best, but I can tell they are not receiving the training they need for their job and that’s a shame.

I will leave it at that.
 
Debrah N. said:
Well, he must have changed his entire comment and title then because I don't even see mention of covid. Or 'cussing'....so since everyone else is seeing things that I don't, I'm going to bow out. Obviously no place for me here.
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Well he did..I was the first to mention it. I think Admin removed the offensive words
 
There are many wonderful millenials in the world. The minute you group everyone into the negative category based on a few, you're wrong. Whenever using the terms "they all" or "none of them" to refer to particular groups of people (nationalties, races, religious beliefs, age ranges, etc.) you'd be wrong. You told @hollydolly to "smile, enjoy" but your posts so far aren't condusive to eliciting smiles or enjoyment!. Also, you seemed to insinuate that despite your children's good upbringing, there's still a problem when you wrote "yet, here we are today". Care to expound?
 
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Nathan said:
Let's put this in proper perspective: this forum(like virtually all internet venues) is privately owned. You can exercise your First Amendment right to free speech out in Public.

Envision this: someone comes into YOUR private home and insists on saying whatever they want, regardless of what you might allow. Is that a protected 1st Amendment right, or just some jackass disrespecting your sovereignty over your own home?
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Well I see what you saying, but If you or anyone is afraid of free speech, then there lies the problem. Famous words..."I may not agree with what you are saying, but I defend your right to say it". As for private forms and special rules, it is very different from your home or property. This where conversations and debates happen, do they not? Censorship in history has gotten countries and people into genocides, wars, violence, communism, tyranny and so. Censorship has no place in the world.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
There are many wonderful millenials in the world. The minute you group everyone into the negative category based on a few, you're wrong. Whenever using the terms "they all" or "none of them" to refer to particular groups of people (nationalties, races, religious beliefs, age ranges, etc.) you'd be wrong. You told @hollydolly to "smile, enjoy" but your posts so far aren't condusive to eliciting smiles or enjoyment!. Also, you seemed to insinuate that despite your children's good upbringing, there's still a problem when you wrote "yet, here we are today". Care to expound?
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Hey, Absolutely there any many wonderful people of that particular generation. No question! I only am going by reading forums on other sites, my own experience and research using stats from employment agencies, blog posts, managers, and so on. In general, they seem to be less motivated, more inclined to take the easy way out, and less bound to their word. They despite having the most access to information in human history at their fingertips are the most disillusioned.

One example is the life coach that worked with my wife in the govt. This individual worked her day job, then portrayed to be a life coach as a second job. She was 23, with no education, no life experience, no basis for being a coach of any kind. Yet she thought she could be anything she wanted to be. After a year of no one using her services, she stopped it.

Another is our sons' future wife. She proclaims to be a photographer. She has a website, a portfolio etc, yet the only business she gets is from friends that give her 50 or 100 bucks for a 'photo shoot'. She hasn't made more than a grand per year, yet she maintains shes a photographer. No training in it, no education in it, no life experience, and worst of all, shes not very good. No better than some of the Iphone or Samsung smartphone camera pictures. She maintains she is going to be a photographer no matter what. its been 5 years! Still isn't making it.

My brothers wife is a retired military photographer who started her own studio. She has the training, tons of experience, then even after leaving the military took courses to make sure she was civvy qualified. She still has a hard time making ends meet as a photographer. She said if it wasn't for her pension, being a photographer wouldn't pay enough.

The problem started when we decided everyone was a winner. Every kid got a trophy. It eliminated competition. No real winner or loser. While it may have seemed like the right thing to do, it was not. In every walk of life there has to be someone better than you. Always has been, always will. Always winners and losers. Someone faster, someone taller, someone smarter, someone stronger, someone richer... Its evolution. It's genetics. When we say that they are all equal it just doesn't work.

The problem with this generation we are talking about, is they have been brainwashed to think that way. Been raised that way. But, in reality everyone has to succeed or fail on their own merits. Judged by your work ethic, your drive and determination. When you take that away, you have abject failure. Which I believe this certain gen is experiencing. Some could say blame it on Gen X, or the govt, or education and so on. Regardless of who or what may have caused or contributed to it, it all comes down to you. You need to stand up and be counted for who you are. I don't feel that the Mil or Z gen are doing that. Mountains of stats and evidence to back it up.

As you did ask about my instance, well, our kids are not bad or estranged or anything like that. Our daughter just is a bit on the lazy side, changing jobs a lot, losing really good jobs in the process. She is a bit distant to her brother, and while she keeps in contact with us, its not regular. Of course we don't expect daily reports (lol), but a quick telegram hello, how's things once in a while would be appreciated.

Our son, while much better than our daughter in terms of contact, we still feel like he does it more to just keep up appearances. He is a hard worker, but thinks that he will succeed easily without the time and sacrifice others have done before him. His choice of future wife is questionable as well. And before anyone attacks me on 'it's his choice blah blah blah', of course it is. But, when we see bad traits in his future wife, it alarms us. He is our son after all and we want the best for him.

She is the photographer mentioned above. She is the definition of lazy with a capital L. SHe has had great jobs that she has been fired, not resigned from because she is so lazy. Jobs that could have turned into great positions and careers possible. Great benefits and money in a world where everything is expensive and crazy.

Not only that, but her wedding was originally just both sets of parents and family, dinner, dancing, celebrating, and honeymoon. Now it's 'dad can you rent me an island for the weekend?'. Now she wants her father to rent an island at 7500 per night, so we can all fly there, have a weekend of whatever, then they will go on their honeymoon. Well I am not sure if she knows her day, but he is a blue collar worker making good money, not Henry Ford!

They just all seem to have this fantasy that their life has to be perfect and rom com movie like. Everything should be easy, and when it isn't, they can't handle it. Do you know that the Mil and Z gen are the most prescribed in terms of anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds there ever was. And these stats occurred in 2015, long before the pandemic, or massive inflation etc.

So when I make statements like the OP, I base it on research, experience and day to day interactions. Many may not agree with my assessment, but to each their own.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
There are many wonderful millenials in the world. The minute you group everyone into the negative category based on a few, you're wrong. Whenever using the terms "they all" or "none of them" to refer to particular groups of people (nationalties, races, religious beliefs, age ranges, etc.) you'd be wrong. You told @hollydolly to "smile, enjoy" but your posts so far aren't condusive to eliciting smiles or enjoyment!. Also, you seemed to insinuate that despite your children's good upbringing, there's still a problem when you wrote "yet, here we are today". Care to expound?
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Oh, one more thing to elaborate. In no way shape or form do I discriminate on races, religion, beliefs or nationalities. I could care less about any of that. As you see from my posts that never comes to point.
And as for my smile and enjoy comment to hollydolly, it was meant to mean-relax, smile, nothing is worth getting all worked up about. These are just posts, discussions, musings if you may about the world we live in. I have no animosity to anyone.
Enjoy your day.
 
Tazx said:
Well I see what you saying, but If you or anyone is afraid of free speech, then there lies the problem. Famous words..."I may not agree with what you are saying, but I defend your right to say it". As for private forms and special rules, it is very different from your home or property. This where conversations and debates happen, do they not? Censorship in history has gotten countries and people into genocides, wars, violence, communism, tyranny and so. Censorship has no place in the world.
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Well thanks for the lecture but it looks like you missed the points I tried to illustrate for you. People using the "free speech" argument as an excuse to bash various classes of people are not bringing much credibility to the table.

With a bit more careful thought effort a person could focus on and comment about the positive traits of the class in question, be it Millennials, Boomers, the disabled etc.
 
Tazx said:
Censorship has no place in the world.
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Oh no!! You are the sole judge deciding this hypothetical case. I want to advertise my porn video site to garner sales. The problem is, the networks will not allow it as I wish to air it during Childrens programming. Would you say it was my free speech or any other right?? Can I do it or can't I, you rule.
 
I find most people a delight….if you are kind and respectful. Maybe they are on a different path. You are right about it being difficult to make a living being a photographer…I know several. But photography is also art…and where would the world be without it? As for blowing thru jobs? A person has some skill to get hired in the first place. So there is that. And working a job you hate? No way! Find your path…be brave.
 
TBH, the OP's post sounds like something our parents wrote about OUR generation!

If you ever watch the Beatles documentary "8 Days A Week", there is an absolutely fabulous anecdote related by a newsman who was assigned to follow the Beatles around on their first US tour. He was horrified at such a 'lightweight' assignment at first, being a well-regarded reporter. He ended up being charmed by them, enjoying their sense of humor and energy.

His father (so we're talking about the WWII generation) came to say good-bye to him before he left to catch his plane, and told him - in all seriousness! - "Now, you watch your back! Those guys, they're going to destroy our civilization!"

Ah, the irony of becoming our parents makes Boomers realize how old they're getting....LOL
 
Tazx said:
Oh, one more thing to elaborate. In no way shape or form do I discriminate on races, religion, beliefs or nationalities. I could care less about any of that. As you see from my posts that never comes to point.
And as for my smile and enjoy comment to hollydolly, it was meant to mean-relax, smile, nothing is worth getting all worked up about. These are just posts, discussions, musings if you may about the world we live in. I have no animosity to anyone.
Enjoy your day.
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My reply to you was not to insinuate that you do discriminate against races, religions, etc. Those were just used as examples of people lumping everyone in a category (in your case Millenials) when issuing harsh judgement. Perhaps it would help if you actually posted something uplifting and fun. I suspect I was a bit sensitive about your post because I have Millenial grandchildren who are wonderful and I know other Millenials about which I can say the same. I also read a lot about the ones who are doing great things, but of course they don't make the headline news. Know of any subjects from which to choose? :)

And as far as your examples of young people "hanging up shingles" and professing to be this or that when they really aren't trained to be those things, that's nothing new. How many people of our generation and GenXer's have been found to have scammed people into thinking they were doctors, lawyers or investment professionals? Even if the intent is not to scam people, for decades people have been trying their hats at being something they want to be, or think they can be, without getting the proper training and certification. So I'm not saying you're wrong just..."Nothing new under the sun".
 

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