Mob of robbers storm California jewelry store

hollydolly said:
We had similar a few weeks ago here... and tragically the 27 year old shop worker who was at the shop on the day of the robbery, and was assaulted by the robbers.. took his own life 2 days later...
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Why do you think he took his own life? Trauma?
 

It's a question of money, I think. People complain about taxes, true, but it is needed to hire enough police, court officials, and prisons & their workers. No will to raise taxes on those not paying their fair share. Since these folks are not part of regular society, they don't care. Lawlessness starts from the top, IMO.
 
"Smash and Grab" has been going on for some time. California also passed Prop 47, which lowers the penalty of thefts under $950, I believe. It's treated more like a misdemeanor.

I don't know how insurance companies treat these types of robberies.
 
Let's see, there is at least $250,000 in merchandise, arranged so anyone can easily take it off the shelf, with only two clerks, both just out of their teens, holding down the fort. And the odds of getting caught in a mob grab are 0-1%.
You do the math.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Let's see, there is at least $250,000 in merchandise, arranged so anyone can easily take it off the shelf, with only two clerks, both just out of their teens, holding down the fort. And the odds of getting caught in a mob grab are 0-1%.
You do the math.
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...and yet in the first 3 or 4 decades of my life... except for big bank heists by big gangsters.. there was never scum diving into stores and helping themselves to everything.. and no come-back from the police...as there is today..
 
It is bad enough our state has become a magnet for criminals from the rest of the country, but over the last decade increasing numbers of foreign criminals are flying in here as legal tourists in order to burglarize wealthy neighborhoods.

4 visitors from Chile arrested in Palo Alto home burglary

I have strongly disliked those in charge of the state that over 3+ decades now have led to current ridiculous situations along with immigration policies and real estate corporate interests, their financial leeches, and manipulative media. But as someone living at ground zero, I can state there are plenty of fed up citizens ready to get rid of their stranglehold via our election processes. Many Nextdoor communities across the state are seething with comments.

One way that is playing out is that Automatic License Plate Readers, aka ALPRs on our highways and streets are rapidly being deployed even in such long time resistant cities as San Francisco and Oakland that has quickly made significant differences. And this peon merely through reasoned postings on Nextdoor for several years, has seemed to have turned the local citizen attitudes of what had been dominated by loud civil rights (ala ACLU) and ethnic group whiners.
 
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Here in Canada one of the biggest national jewelry stores Birks, has a system where their store doors are locked at all times. If you want to go in, you need to make an appointment by phone the day before. The nice young man in the fashionable grey suit is armed and wearing a ballistic vest under neath it. He will open the entrance door after you produce your photo ID card. One customer at a time. JimB.
 
hollydolly said:
...and yet in the first 3 or 4 decades of my life... except for big bank heists by big gangsters.. there was never scum diving into stores and helping themselves to everything.. and no come-back from the police...as there is today..
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I agree this is a new phenomenon with mob grabs. I think you hit the nail on the head. Stores have goods on shelves open to anyone, with little or no security. And with a mob grab, you're chances of getting caught are 0-1%. A mob grab is crummy ethics, but you get free stuff.
 
Really isn't this more a case of evolution of tactics? It works. Likely targets need to up their defenses. Even if the laws were severe, the perps still have to be caught so there is some safety in numbers.

Another thing that strikes me is the fact that there has to be some sort of a leader getting these people to work together.
 
jimintoronto said:
Here in Canada one of the biggest national jewelry stores Birks, has a system where their store doors are locked at all times. If you want to go in, you need to make an appointment by phone the day before. The nice young man in the fashionable grey suit is armed and wearing a ballistic vest under neath it. He will open the entrance door after you produce your photo ID card. One customer at a time. JimB.
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A lot of the high end jewelry stores in New York City have been by appointment only for the past several years. If you go into Tiffany's, they make you show your ID and their well-dressed security team carries firearms.

Birks was owned by an Italian company before going public.
 
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Naturally said:
Obviously California needs to ban sledge hammers and make those companies that produce sledge hammers liable
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At one time, many years ago, cops were allowed to shoot robbers. After a few dead robbers started showing up in funeral homes, the Supreme Court stated that the guard's life had to be in jeopardy, yet the salesclerks are allowed to shoot the robbers if they can prove they feared for their life.
 
If one watches old B&W movies, there are plenty of cops versus bad guy movies where as soon as they see the bad guys who then try running away, they are firing a barrage of bullets.
 
Nathan said:
It's getting increasingly more expensive to lock up offenders and keep them in custody. The crook is not off the hook though.
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That is why I have been promoting a return to a new type of corporal punishment that most of the psychology profession and civil rights advocates hate. Was why in Arizona they were foaming at the mouth desperately trying to end JA's very successful operations. Criminals understand physical punishment and is why they use it on their own while laughing at society.

Instead of expensively locking convicted criminals up for lengthy terms, public corporal punishment with shaming will work and be far cheaper. Instead of locking someone up for months, a single week out in some too warm jail without air conditioning, boring food, unpleasant odors, annoying music, and one day at the end of their week out in some very public location in a stock for the public to look at and show how they feel, will be enough to make them think twice about repeating whatever.
 

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