Motorcyclist pulls gun in road rage incident. His target had better aim

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..... this thread is about the situation in the OP - a driver defended himself and his children, and you keep insisting he did not have the right to self defense ....
It is you who keeps calling it "self-defence", not me. So you are being intentionally dishonest by claiming that I "keep insisting he did not have the right to self defense". If you want to prove me wrong it ought to very easy: Just provide a quote of me saying it. Naturally, you cannot. Is there any (good) reason for you to misrepresent my words and my thoughts?
 

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Don't you mean the Declaration of Independence?
First came the Declaration of Independence in1776. A constitution then had to be written for the new form of government and the Bill of Rights was added that guaranteed the civil liberties of its citizens in relation to that government. Previously, the whims of King George dictated what happened in the American colony. That was ratified in 1791.
 
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It is you who keeps calling it "self-defence", not me. So you are being intentionally dishonest by claiming that I "keep insisting he did not have the right to self defense". If you want to prove me wrong it ought to very easy: Just provide a quote of me saying it. Naturally, you cannot. Is there any (good) reason for you to misrepresent my words and my thoughts?
{shrug} Of course it was self defense, and you are against it by virtue of refusing to call it as such in this and other posts. Sorry, but you can't walk back what you have been saying, and there is no misrepresenting your "words and thoughts". You said it and you own it.
 

First came the Declaration of Independence in1776. A constitution then had to be written for the new form of government and the Bill of Rights was added that guaranteed the civil liberties of its citizens in relation to that government. Previously, the whims of King George dictated what happened in the American colony. That was ratified in 1791.
The Constitution was an effort to transform the Articles of Confederation of 1781. Then the Continental Congress was referred to as the Congress of the Confederation.
 
The constitution is just a piece of paper. Even if it is held in the highest regard and considered the framework of our society, it only means what 5 people say it does, that being a majority of the supreme court.
It means more than that. I there is a ruling, say concerning the 4th AM, and it is permitted on those facts, states are free to rule the opposite under their own Constitution parallel clause/AM.
 
It means more than that. I there is a ruling, say concerning the 4th AM, and it is permitted on those facts, states are free to rule the opposite under their own Constitution parallel clause/AM.
Would you please elaborate? I'm not sure what I think you're saying is what you are saying. Thank you.
 
Would you please elaborate? I'm not sure what I think you're saying is what you are saying. Thank you.
Take this case for one example. The SC ruled it does not offend the 4th AM by effecting a full custodial arrest for an offense punishable by a money fine only.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-1408.ZS.html

In Ohio our S&S clause does not permit it. Ours is co-extensive with the 4th, meaning what it permits so does Ohio, but that is one exception to the rule.
 
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