MPs today voted in favour of assisted dying uk

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i'm over the moon, I can't be more pleased we've been fighting for this for many years....

the Bill will allow terminally ill, mentally competent adults - with less than six months to live - to seek an assisted death in England and Wales with the approval of two doctors and a High Court judge.

Today was the first time MPs had voted on the issue of assisted dying since 2015.

MPs of all parties were given a 'free vote' - meaning they did not have to vote along party lines - and the Government took a neutral stance on the Bill.
The Bill will now go to committee stage where MPs can table amendments, before facing further scrutiny and votes in both the Commons and the House of Lords, meaning any change in the law would not be agreed until next year at the earliest.

Labour MP Kim Leadbeater, who introduced the Bill to Parliament, has said it would likely be a further two years from then for an assisted dying service to be in place.
MPs vote FOR assisted dying as historic Bill passes first hurdle
 

“the Bill will allow terminally ill, mentally competent adults - with less than six months to live -to seek an assisted death”
As one who supports this bill I have one question, what of those who have expressed a quick and easy passing beyond 6 months in the future but who now are now no longer “mentally competent” are they to suffer because their wishes do not fit within this criteria. Also what constitutes 'terminally ill'? We all are going to pass sooner or later and every medical professional will have a different idea of when that will probably occur, should someone decide to take this move I suspect the process would be enough to send you to the grave anyway!
 
hollydolly said:
i'm over the moon, I can't be more pleased we've been fighting for this for many years....

the Bill will allow terminally ill, mentally competent adults - with less than six months to live - to seek an assisted death in England and Wales with the approval of two doctors and a High Court judge.
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That's great, though it sounds ridiculously restrictive. When my nephew was diagnosed with a degenerative disease he committed suicide years before he would have lost the ability to care for himself, because he didn't want to live like that, if he'd had the choice of assisted death without restrictions, maybe he would have stayed with us for longer.
 
The only problem I see is all the participants get a one-way ticket to Hell. It’s really hot there.
 
hollydolly said:
i'm over the moon, I can't be more pleased we've been fighting for this for many years....

the Bill will allow terminally ill, mentally competent adults - with less than six months to live - to seek an assisted death in England and Wales with the approval of two doctors and a High Court judge.

Today was the first time MPs had voted on the issue of assisted dying since 2015.

MPs of all parties were given a 'free vote' - meaning they did not have to vote along party lines - and the Government took a neutral stance on the Bill.
The Bill will now go to committee stage where MPs can table amendments, before facing further scrutiny and votes in both the Commons and the House of Lords, meaning any change in the law would not be agreed until next year at the earliest.

Labour MP Kim Leadbeater, who introduced the Bill to Parliament, has said it would likely be a further two years from then for an assisted dying service to be in place.
MPs vote FOR assisted dying as historic Bill passes first hurdle
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That's wonderful news! I wish the states would get on board. I belong to a forum of people with similar, life long health issues and there are many who wish for a way out since their lives have gotten so limited and painfilled. We are allowed to put down our beloved pets so that they wont' suffer but we won't allow human beings to end an untenable existence.
 
carouselsilver said:
That's wonderful news! I wish the states would get on board. I belong to a forum of people with similar, life long health issues and there are many who wish for a way out since their lives have gotten so limited and painfilled. We are allowed to put down our beloved pets so that they wont' suffer but we won't allow human beings to end an untenable existence.
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I believe there are 10 states which allow assisted dying...since 1997..initially Oregon was the first..followed by...

California, Colorado, The District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington.


In most of these states, the law states that assisted dying is not considered suicide, assisted suicide, mercy killing, or homicide
 
HoneyNut said:
That's great, though it sounds ridiculously restrictive. When my nephew was diagnosed with a degenerative disease he committed suicide years before he would have lost the ability to care for himself, because he didn't want to live like that, if he'd had the choice of assisted death without restrictions, maybe he would have stayed with us for longer.
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yes unfortunately I agree, it is very restrictive..it's sad because in many cases like your belovd nephew people can suffer greatly for much longer than 6 months prior to death...

However there are still places which allow assisted dying outside of this proposed 6 months limit.. like the 10 US sates I posted above.. and Dignitas, the private Swiss clinic which is the most famos assisted dying facility... again tho' with the lattet there are retrictions.

It costs £10,000.. and regardless of how ill the person is they must be able make their way to the clinic under their own steam ..altho' they can be accompanied but they cannot be brought there by ambulance
 
Nathan said:
I don't think they can arrest you if you decide to step in front of a train.
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this happens so often... I feel for the drivers who suffer terribly when somebody does this.


Just this week a young woman here lay in front of a train leaving her 9 month old baby behind.... shed been terribly mentally abused by her partner.. and could see no way out... but it leaves the drivers with mental health issues...
 
RuralKanuck said:
“the Bill will allow terminally ill, mentally competent adults - with less than six months to live -to seek an assisted death”
As one who supports this bill I have one question, what of those who have expressed a quick and easy passing beyond 6 months in the future but who now are now no longer “mentally competent” are they to suffer because their wishes do not fit within this criteria. Also what constitutes 'terminally ill'? We all are going to pass sooner or later and every medical professional will have a different idea of when that will probably occur, should someone decide to take this move I suspect the process would be enough to send you to the grave anyway!
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terminally ill is where someone has been given a diagnosis of a life expectancy of 6 month or less...
 
So, the ill can just drive their power chair off the bridge bank if they write and sign the paper intending to do the stuff themselves?
Or just get in the bath, with a 6 pack of Wine / Kentucky whisky and fall asleep. So peaceful and so little guilt too. No body messing it up either.
 
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Across Europe, six countries have some form of legalised assisted dying: Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain and Austria. In all of them - unlike the proposals in England and Wales - help to die is not restricted to the terminally ill.

Switzerland was the first country in the world to create a “right to die” when it made assisted suicide legal in 1942. It is one of the few countries which allows foreigners access to help to die via organisations like Dignitas, in Zurich. More than 500 Britons have died at Dignitas, external in the past two decades, including 40 last year. The lethal medication must be self-administered.

The Netherlands and Belgium both legalised assisted dying more than 20 years ago for patients experiencing unbearable suffering from an incurable illness, including mental health issues. It has since been extended to children - the only European countries to allow this. Both allow euthanasia - or physician-assisted dying.

Most recently, Spain and Austria have legalised assisted dying for both terminal illness and intolerable suffering. In Austria, the drugs must be self-administered, whereas in Spain a medical professional can administer them.

Despite the variation, what’s clear is that eligibility for assisted dying is far wider across Europe than is being proposed anywhere in the British Isles. MSPs at Holyrood are to debate a similar bill covering Scotland as that being voted on at Westminster.
 
hollydolly said:
this happens so often... I feel for the drivers who suffer terribly when somebody does this.


Just this week a young woman here lay in front of a train leaving her 9 month old baby behind.... shed been terribly mentally abused by her partner.. and could see no way out... but it leaves the drivers with mental health issues...
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I seriously doubt the Train railroad workers had any delusions about suicide. It most likely happens quiet often out there in nowhere ville.
 
In the past few years voluntary assisted dying has become legal across most of Australia. While in New Zealand, patients must be terminally ill and expected to die within six months. That is extended to 12 months for those with a neurodegenerative condition in eligible parts of Australia.

In both countries, patients can self-administer the lethal medication. But it can also be administered by a doctor or nurse, usually via an intravenous injection.
 
Canada is the country often cited by opponents of assisted dying as an example of the so-called "slippery slope" - a place where assisted dying has been extended and made available to more people since it was first brought in. Medical assistance in dying (Maid), external was introduced in 2016, initially just for the terminally ill.

This was amended in 2021 and extended to those experiencing "unbearable suffering" from an irreversible illness or disability. It’s still due to become available to those with a mental illness in three years, despite delays.

Critics say the more the law is widened, the more disabled and vulnerable people will be put at risk. There has also been a dramatic growth in the number of people using Maid. Four in 100 deaths in Canada are now medically assisted, external, compared to about one in 100 in Oregon.
Kim Leadbeater, the MP who proposed the assisted dying bill in Westminster, says the Canadian system is not what is being debated for England and Wales, where eligibility would be restricted to the terminally ill.
 
Nathan said:
I don't think they can arrest you if you decide to step in front of a train.
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In Pennsylvania, attempting suicide or aiding another person with killing themself is against the law and anyone attempting or aiding another in suicide shall be arrested, plus they may also face several civil actions.

Here in PA, there is help available not to aide a person in killing themselves, but to give them support with reasons as to why suicide is not the best choice. This is not my position, but there are other ways to go out without having to off your self with or without aid. Even if a person is suffering and dying painfully with cancer, I have personally known people (2) that were placed in medically forced comas and fed very strong pain killers via IV, but never fed. Death happens within days. The patient is out of pain and fully unaware that they are dying.

The one person took 4 days while the other person last 9 days. There is no pain and no suffering.

As for Nathan’s statement, he is correct. If a person gets hit by a train, there are only pieces to pick up. It’s no difference than when a semi hits a deer. There just isn’t a whole lot left.
 

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