My grandaughter & I had heavy weekend

Katybug

Katybug

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Lotta history being played out at my house this weekend w/g'daughter, Katie.

At 17 and with lots of interest, she has read many books on Kennedy's assassination. She surprised me with a great deal about the circumstances of his murder, but not nearly enough for her. She wants more and more info and is getting frustrated with what she calls "our being given the runaround." . She & I spent the weekend dissecting it, and were on the computer and/or discussing it the entire weekend (other than the 5-6 hrs shopping time we worked in on Friday.) She was aghast at what she hadn't heard and I was aghast at how much she knew....very pertinent things that haven't had that much publicity! At her age, and this being in 1963, she has no real clue as to how the roles were played out, what the secretive motives may have been, etc....and she desperately wants to know and is becoming a tad obsessed with it. When, in fact, there are no concrete answers available to us, only theories and suspicions and she gets so frustrated w/that answer. But in watching film of Oswald being executed, given the circumstances, she said it was the most staged thing she had ever seen and thought everyone in attendance was in on it and then some -- for whatever reason. How do you argue with that when you don't know any differently?

Upon being asked direct questions by her, what do you say other than what I said, "I don't know, but have heavy suspicions," and then we read, watched and researched everything we could get our hands on. Her father is doing something I refuse to do, in attempting to influence her way of thinking. I'm totally against that! I want her to make up her own mind and not believe it just because one of us feels one way or the other so strongly, tho our feelings aren't that different in some aspects. Her dad (Independent as can be) is convinced Geo Bush played a big role in the CIA cover up. I'm a democrat, and don't think that's the case at all. And even if the CIA was remotely involved with it....well, I don't want to even think about that!!! I just can't, it's way too depressing, but way deep down I sincerely believe they played some part either directly or inadvertently. End of discussion on that!

We want Katie to challenge herself, obsess with it as much as she wants, come to her own conclusions and not take on anyone's opinion other than her own. It warms my heart that she's so interested in something so near & dear to my heart that happened before her mother was born, yet a place that will live in history forever.

And interested she is, she left here with a page full of references she's going to look up in the school library......as if she's going to solve this crime forthwith! LOL Thank goodness for her interest in history & world events. That's what steer those who will soon take over and make the world go round for the rest of us, and bless their inquisitive minds! I've always said the single worst trait a citizen could have is apathy, and am so grateful it isn't a part of our family.

The events of 11/63 have been very intense interest to me, as they probably have to you, but to have my g'daughter share the same interest warms my heart. Downside, the Thanksgiving Holiday is coming up and we always share the holiday with my children's father (my ex-husband) and his beautiful family. It's very rare we see things the same and I'm just glad no one over drinks and no one talks loud or harshly. But we do attempt to solve the world crises over the holiday table after a few glasses of vino. Once we get them resolved, I'll be sure to let you know! :)
 

Sounds like a cool weekend shared by grandmother and granddaughter, nice that you can share interest in things and have discussions like that. She sounds like a smart young lady. :)
 
It's good, and rare these days, to see that in youngsters Katy. I just hope that she investigates without preconcieved ideas formed from the background that has been painted since the incident.

I'm unsure but it's possible he may have survived the one bullet from Oswald. Just consider that a moment. Would JFK have anywhere near the prominence in history that he has attained without that 3rd and fatal shot from still unproven origin?

Wouldn't it have been pretty much on par with the shot taken at Reagan? Written off to a lone nutter, as Oswald was apparently?

How much of the Kennedy legend is based upon the amount of time and energy invested into trying to put together a conspiracy theory which will stand up to explain why he was assassinated? It's become an industry! What if there wasn't one? What if a conspiracy wasn't needed to explain what happened at all?

If the theory proposed in the recent doco is correct it was nothing more than a clutzy accident. No conspiracy required.

It seems to upset people that it tears down the carefully built up impression of JFK as a larger than life figure cut down by evil bastards that no one, despite intensive investigation by the best, and most motivated in the business, has ever been able to finger.

Maybe they couldn't find them because they never existed?

Remember that it was to the benefit of the FBI etc to have the public pack baying in the woods to find these shady conspirators.
It kept eyes well away from them.
That they were themselves were the 'grassy knoll' shooter seems never to have occurred to anyone. But to an onlooker they were in a place that lined up nicely with that spot so the sound of a shot would easily have appeared to have originated there. Who would stop to think it may have come from the security car itself? All eyes were on Kennedy, and of all the hundreds there only a few witnesses attested to seeing a rifle in the hands of one of the security men in that following vehicle. Their reports were conveniently overlooked as irrelevant. The only photos, 1 or 2 at most, of the rifle in that car were also 'filed'. An FBI head honcho even flat out denied that there was a rifle in the car at all! But there was! Gee eh? Fancy the FBI tellin' lies?

I think that happens a lot with the history we have been handed down, it's written to suit those in power at the time, and the omission of the tiniest anomalous fact can skew the aspect an historical incident 180 degrees.

What those inquisitive minds must do is remain open to disregarding preconceptions in the light of new, and different evidence being put forward.

But its not a fraction of the fun as hunting conspirators is it? Boring old reality. siiiiiiigh.
 

Katybug, it's great that you and your granddaughter can discuss things like this - she sounds like a very intelligent young lady. I just hope she doesn't get too involved in this, and miss out on what should be enjoyable years for her. We can't prove these conspiracies; and giving too much time and effort to them isn't so good.

OTOH, it's good that the young are questioning...maybe they will demand, and get, answers to some of the things that we have wondered about for all these years.

I'd like to think that there is no conspiracy; that things are just as they explain to us...but; too often, these things are 'wrapped up' too soon. Another topic - but if I could hear an honest explanation of what happened to Randy Weavers family at Ruby Ridge; and also what happened at Waco - I might be ok with what we're told.
I've heard what happened, but I've yet to hear a good reason why.
 
She could also read They Killed Our President by Jesse Ventura. Conspiracies aren't always just some nutty theory, sometimes they are sinister plots which really took place, and done for a reason, and then covered up and excused away to the public. By learning about these things that happened in our past, she will be more keen when she sees the same types of disinformation which is occurring right now, in present time. Who knows, Katie may run for President some day, and she'll be one step ahead of the others! :D
 
SB:....when she sees the same types of disinformation which is occurring right now,.....
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What a great term for what we are faced with when trying to make decisions or sense of what's happening around us.

We see new words being added to the language at an ever increasing rate and that is one of the best. 'Nails it.'
 
Yes, disinformation is false or inaccurate info that's intentionally spread...lots of that going around, especially in political voting ads, etc.
 
It's spread on thickly with shovels here too.
It's more sinister than mere spin which only twists perceptions of incidents, disinformation distorts the facts themselves and presents them as 'proofs.'

The example that fired me up was the Al Gore version of climate change disinformation. While the overall 'science' of climate change is an acceptable theory, the hyperbolic and just plain wrong 'disinformation' of it's immediate and exaggerated impact to promote his own agenda, scare the population witless, and promote the perfectly normal occurrence into an hysteria approaching religious zeal is a revelation into human nature.

It shows us just how easily our thinking can be manipulated by tweaking a few facts and figures and presenting them as 'science.' We always swallow that one and seldom bother to look behind the perception that we are being led to accept as true.

We get so convinced by it that we refuse to hear any dissenting view even when the 'facts' we base our beliefs on are proven to be false.
Maybe it's our defence against the embarrassment of being wrong about something, or maybe it's even deeper than that, but the damage is done when we base beliefs on false data, and that's what 'disinformation' is.

I think we need to foster a lot more cynicism, we are allowing gullibility to rule our decision making. What we see ain't always what we're getting.
 
Diwundrin said:
What a great term for what we are faced with when trying to make decisions or sense of what's happening around us.

We see new words being added to the language at an ever increasing rate and that is one of the best. 'Nails it.'
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OH MY GOSH, Di, that was supposed to be MISINFORMATION! Typo! Sorry, but LOL at my new word!
 

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