New Planet Discovered ( Space)

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Astronomers have identified a newly discovered exoplanet that may orbit within the outer edge of its star's habitable zone, raising fresh questions about how common potentially life-supporting worlds might be in our galaxy.

The planet, known as HD 137010 b, was detected orbiting a sunlike star 146 light-years from Earth. Early observations suggest the planet is slightly larger than Earth and follows an orbit that places it near the cooler boundary of the so-called habitable "Goldilocks" zone — the region around a star where temperatures could allow liquid water to exist under the right conditions.

NASA has nicknamed the planet "an ice-cold Earth" due to likely frigid weather conditions. Based on observations, the surface temperature is no higher than 90 degrees below zero, making it colder than Mars.
 

Only 146 light years away from us........well then it's a close neighbor of ours. When one considers how vast the observable universe is.
Maybe by the time our species has achieved interstellar travel, that planet's climate will have entered a warming era.
That is if we are still a viable technological species in the distant future.........
 
If it has life it still won't know about us yet, there hasn't been enough time for our earliest radio signals to reach them yet has there?
 

None of we organic humans now or in the near future of centuries will ever even reach the nearest star that is far closer. More likely is at least mostly non organic intelligent entities within our near region of the Milky Way Galaxy, that are essentially immortal if not physically destroyed and could endure long dormant periods (like our future AIs) will eventually make their existence known to we Earth monkeys, so that we can at least exchange information over that may open up what is going on with intelligent entities within the rest of the universe.

Google AI:

The nearest star system, Alpha Centauri, is about 4.37 light-years away from Earth. This distance translates to approximately 25 trillion miles (40 trillion kilometers).
The fastest spacecraft to date, the Parker Solar Probe, travels at about 430,000 miles per hour (700,000 kilometers per hour). At this speed, it would take around 6,700 years to reach Alpha Centauri.
 
None of we organic humans now or in the near future of centuries will ever even reach the nearest star that is far closer. More likely is at least mostly non organic intelligent entities within our near region of the Milky Way Galaxy, that are essentially immortal if not physically destroyed and could endure long dormant periods (like our future AIs) will eventually make their existence known to we Earth monkeys, so that we can at least exchange information over that may open up what is going on with intelligent entities within the rest of the universe.

Google AI:

The nearest star system, Alpha Centauri, is about 4.37 light-years away from Earth. This distance translates to approximately 25 trillion miles (40 trillion kilometers).
The fastest spacecraft to date, the Parker Solar Probe, travels at about 430,000 miles per hour (700,000 kilometers per hour). At this speed, it would take around 6,700 years to reach Alpha Centauri.
It is rather like quicksand for the mind to hypothesize what may or may not be out there. If there are intelligent AI's, then intelligent non-organics must have created them at some point. Also, what would intelligent AI's want, or would they want anything (Including contact with other beings)? They may view space travel as a waste of energy. We just don't know.

Would they build houses to live in? They wouldn't grow food, or instead just build energy producing devices. How many would they decide is enough? Would there be struggles for power? Who decides on rules? Would they vote and go by the majority? Would currency be eliminated? would they have any goals, or just be content to exist?

It's hard to imagine what would have happened on this world if the dinosaur killing asteroids had missed earth, or if some virus would have wiped out everything. We may not even be here, and AI's wouldn't even be a twinkle in someone's eyes.
 
The first intelligent AI's in any universe would have been created by organic entities because we homo sapiens have now shown with certainty within our own life evolved existence with developed science and technology, that AI super intelligence can with absolute certainty, soon be possible. If light speed is a true limitation in what I see as a mysteriously fine tuned universe, as I lean towards strongly, then due to time and travel isolation, there may be billions of races of entities, both organic, totally non organic, and combinations of the two that are effectively isolated but however over millions to billions of years, send out non-organic AI probes elsewhere.

So am one, sorry to pop the balloons of many science fiction fans, that for a fair list of logical known science reasons, expect warp drive and near light speed travel will never ever be possible. That is also a good solution to the Fermi Paradox. We may eventually travel technologies for our future non organic entities like supposed UFOs have been said to attain, but even that is vastly below light speed.
 
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Very interesting, but nobody here will be
going on holiday there, to far away.

How do they measure the distance then
decide that it is 146 Light Years away, I
have always wondered, is it exactly that
distance, or just a number picked randomly?

Mike.
 
Is there any practical purpose to any of these things?

Long ago, I heard/read space stuff, moon stuff, etc., were important because different environments could increase the chance of finding cures for diseases, but I haven't seen any evidence of anything like that.

It seems to me the only reason for these very expensive ventures is so they can say they did, or do it before someone else. In the meantime, there's a heck of a lot of important things all that $$ could be used for.
 
I do NOT; can NOT and will NOT accept ever - that we humans or the only life form besides plants and animals in the universe - they are there somewhere and there have been sneaky bits of evidence [see usa military archives] that suggest I am correct - as a kid I would often say to mom - "mom can't find my socks you said were in the second cupboard draw - and she would reply " keep looking you will find them eventually and I always did!"
 
So am one, sorry to pop the balloons of many science fiction fans, that for a fair list of logical known science reasons, expect warp drive and near light speed travel will never ever be possible. That is also a good solution to the Fermi Paradox. We may eventually travel technologies for our future non organic entities like supposed UFOs have been said to attain, but even that is vastly below light speed.
Particles can exceed the speed of light in materials; quantum entanglement hints at mysterious correlations; spacetime might be warped to allow shortcuts; and speculative physics suggests hidden dimensions or new physics beyond our current grasp.
There is still a chance!
 
Why are we so anxious to find life elsewhere in the universe? They may not turn out to be very friendly, or infect earth with new diseases. Remember "War of the Worlds"? What happened there can happen in reverse, too.
Heck not even that far away, look at what the Spanish diseases did to the native Indian populations in North America.
 
Another limitation on hyperspeed travels at even one thousand's of light speed that ordinary people or scifi fiction never addresses beyond the vast distances, is that striking even a stationary grain of sand in hyperspeed motions, would be like having a nuclear weapon exploding. That is as catastrophic as projectiles or bullets being shot out of guns at vastly higher speeds than any technology we have. Even ordinary stars like our sun, create stellar winds of myriad charged particles, atoms and molecules, that in outer space at hyperspeed impacts, would cause serious erosion to physical spacecraft. Even today with our spacecraft with velocities astronomically lower, there is a serious engineering effort into avoiding and mitigating such particle impacts because they melt and damage spacecraft surfaces.

My point here is, there is already a world of science against such travel however far into the future, ever being possible at the same time dominant science fiction media is unrestrained with fantasy nonsense feeding the uneducated, ignorant minds of its audience.
 
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I understand NASA sent a Rolling Stones song into outer space with co-ordinates leading to Earth. So there is absolutely no danger of an Alien invasion any time soon. The Aliens would take one listen to The Stones and avoid our Planet like the plague.
 
Is there any practical purpose to any of these things?

Long ago, I heard/read space stuff, moon stuff, etc., were important because different environments could increase the chance of finding cures for diseases, but I haven't seen any evidence of anything like that.

It seems to me the only reason for these very expensive ventures is so they can say they did, or do it before someone else. In the meantime, there's a heck of a lot of important things all that $$ could be used for.
Well, as I understand it, the main purpose is: If anything were to wipe out earth's population (A monster asteroid, deadly virus, nuclear devastation, etc...) then if we are in more than one location, there is a chance for survival. It's possible that the origin of life may have only happened once in the universe, and to sequester it on one blue dot is akin to putting all your eggs in one basket. Alas, it may be our mission to "Boldly go where no man has gone before". You're absolutely right though, it is a vastly expensive venture.
 
Well, as I understand it, the main purpose is: If anything were to wipe out earth's population (A monster asteroid, deadly virus, nuclear devastation, etc...) then if we are in more than one location, there is a chance for survival. It's possible that the origin of life may have only happened once in the universe, and to sequester it on one blue dot is akin to putting all your eggs in one basket. Alas, it may be our mission to "Boldly go where no man has gone before". You're absolutely right though, it is a vastly expensive venture.
So, 'earthlings' will eventually land somewhere else, with the figurative message to whatever/whomever they find: "We've wrecked our planet.. so we came here to take over 'URS'!!" 😮😒
 
My expectation is a race of ancient, essentially immortal if not physically destroyed, Ultimate Intelligent Entities (UIE), over billions of years in our current Big Bang universe if not far earlier, have already explored and cataloged much of the known universe. Our Milky Way Galaxy is less than 200,000 light years in diameter but only 1000 light years thick. Such entities despite vast time and distances, would have explored their realm of the universe using automated, intelligent, non-organic probes. Once such a race appeared, they would dominate their region of space afterwards.

They would catalog their galaxies for rare potentially optimal liquid water zone planets that could exist with life for billions of years necessary for evolution of DNA life and with geological conditions able to support such. And they might do actual planetary engineering like what we find with our moon. In other words, mechanisms of fine tuning in a universe with DNA life. One of the greatest mysteries to the rise of life on Earth is how it managed to start so quickly after early high temperatures decreased allowing liquid water. So yes, this person strongly expects panspermia was involved and not some Earth based biogenesis.

Any advanced organic race over millions of years of science and technology, would work to lengthen their life times that are likely to involve an integration of organic and non-organic replaceable parts as in organs. That could be why the Biblical Adam and Eve descendants may have lived for as much as 969 years if as I hypothesize, they were genetically enhanced from normal humans. So NO, also if so, they were not the first homo sapiens that we in this science era can view as ignorant recordings of science primitives.

In the future, nutrients and medicines that are impossible to produce within creature bodies, are likely, not to be manufactured in laboratory test tubes as we do today, but rather grown within genetically designed plants. That may be behind the Biblical scripture with the Garden of Eden "Tree of Life" and "Tree of Knowledge". Such nutrients may have been capable of extending human life into thousands of years if that experiment had not failed due to moral reasons, after which their descendants had to survive without such special help.

And by Noah's time had over generations genetically diffused due to mating with ordinary humans to lifespans less than 120 years. And NO, the scriptural interpretation of Nephilim Giants is just more ignorant non-sense interpretations from primitives. Any evolved life on isolated single planets, would be reproductively impossible to mate with from extraterrestrials because of the immense complexity and variability of embryonic development that will take different paths on any planet with animal-like lifeforms.

Such UIE entities may in fact have manufacturable, wet electrolyte, organic brain containers if as I hypothesize, such is necessary for electromagnetic consciousness that I've tersely written about a few times on this board. To be clear if so, our physical brains are containers for the electromagnetic (EMC) fields within, that is the phenomenon of actual conscious life. In other words, semiconductor AIs that are now being developed though can be intelligent, can never also be conscious in that way. We as entities are thus those aware conscious fields within the wet electrolyte container brains of our bodies.

Such entities would be able to store their consciousness in multiple containers, thus eliminating possible permanent destruction through accidental physical mechanisms to any single containers. This is how Moses and Elijah may still have existed long after their physical death, for the Transfiguration, that is in all 3 synoptic gospels.

Any UIE if possible, would have developed ways to save otherwise mortal intelligent creatures they loved, from eternal non-existence. If true, in my own mind, that would be greatest and most valuable accomplishment in our universe. UIE's if so, may not be the science non-sense, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, (OOO) can do anything magical entities, our science primitive humans called gods, but if they could give us eternal life so, that alone would be enough for this entity to praise and lovingly worship them. And why this person of his own thinking, chooses to believe.

After the Adam and Eve experiment failed, they may have taken the homo sapiens results off world to another highly controlled planet in the galaxy near to their Heaven base where they had created a zoo for Earth evolved life and further development. And that is where the DNA for Jesus could have come from. Implanting sperm surgically into Mary's womb would have been trivial. In fact, such UIEs would easily be able to put any humans into an immediate unconscious state through either gas or skin contact with advanced anesthesia chemicals.

I sometimes wonder as a person that has spent hundreds of days of my life in remote wilderness areas, if they have easily undetectably done so during starry sleeping nights with my own body in some ways? Such could also be behind how Jesus's body was removed from his tomb, despite being guarded by Romans that would easily have been made unconscious. After being revived, the groggy guards would be the last to admit they were not awake, lest they be summarily executed. In other words, before Jesus was executed, his race of UIE angels may have created via first scanning, a wet electrolyte container duplicating his organic brain.

Every moment about 100 trillion neutrinos pass through our human bodies and continue through the whole planet without hitting anything. So indeed, that says much about how small particles for scanning can be that could totally digitize every atom in our creature bodies. Luke 12:7 and Matthew 10:30 scripture relate how every hair on our heads is numbered.

In other words, Jesus's body actually died while his EMC mind was duplicated. When he awoke, his new container entity would not know the difference just as we do when after anesthesia surgery we are awakened. In that sense we are essentially dead for awhile. It is worth noting scripture in Jesus's own words at John 12:24 states life must actually die first before being recreated for eternal life. And John 11:25 states: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die."
 

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