Newly found human foot prints rewrite history

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Vida May

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I love archeological and geological findings! The latest and most exciting for Americans is fossilized human footprints in New Mexico that indicate humans were in the Americans long before we thought they were.
https://www.discovery.com/science/new-23-000-year-old-human-footprints-discovered-in-america

Along with this find is the Chaco Valley civilization that came into existence thousands of years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park
 

I had a feeling this was the same story i read last year. Living in NM this was pretty big news here.

Indigenous peoples' oral histories put many of them here much earlier than we were taught in school. When you consider this and DNA results on a man from a northern tribe together, it is pretty clear they knew their real history better than European descent scientists theorizing in modern times.
 
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We may find that a number of human civilizations have come and gone in the vast amount of time that the earth has been able to sustain life. There is also the question of size. Who is to say that on a quantum level (add infinitum) every atom is not an inhabited world of it's own . Looks like whoever that was in the footprint image did not know which way to go.
 
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mrstime said:
I have been to Chaco Canyon in New Mexico, wonderful place, so interesting.
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I live not that far from it, hoping to get out there this year or next.
The first time i came to NM in 1974 from Hawaii, people wondered why and how i could enjoy it after living in the Islands. But i think every ecosystem has its beauty discovering it is part of the joy of traveling, living a variety of places.
 
I love reading about archaeological digs and the findings. Heaven knows if we could get some really good digs in along the Mid-Atlantic area of the U.S. what we would really find of ancient life. It is though that Phoenicians actually landed here at one point, so perhaps there's so much more to be learned.
 
Lewkat said:
I love reading about archaeological digs and the findings. Heaven knows if we could get some really good digs in along the Mid-Atlantic area of the U.S. what we would really find of ancient life. It is though that Phoenicians actually landed here at one point, so perhaps there's so much more to be learned.
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My brother was a working archeologist here in New Jersey, in the early 80s. He did work on ancient Native sites. As I recall, they were mostly fire pits. The people would dig out a pit, heat up stones to a very high temperature and then throw the game on top of that, to cook it. Or, they would slit open the game and put heated stones inside.

I am pretty sure he said that those sites were about 10,000 years old.
 
oldpop said:
We may find that a number of human civilizations have come and gone in the vast amount of time that the earth has been able to sustain life.
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Totally agree, we keep finding things older than what we thought possible.I think of Tiahuanaco (the Gate of the Sun), Machu Picchu, Gobekli Tepe, Angkor Wat not just the pyramids. And how many signs of civilization lost because the materials turned to dust?
oldpop said:
There is also the question of size. Who is to say that on a quantum level (add infinitum) every atom is not an inhabited world of it's own .
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Macrocosm, microcosm. The mathematical patterns that repeat in various life forms and at various levels.

They now think our DNA can 'carry' reactive memories of major traumas our ancestors suffered and send signals to body processes in attempts to protect against repeats of those things.
 
feywon said:
I had a feeling this was the same story i read last year. Living in NM this was pretty big news here.

Indigenous peoples' oral histories put many of them here much earlier than we were taught in school. When you consider this and DNA results on a man from a northern tribe together, it is pretty clear they knew their real history better than European descent scientists theorizing in modern times.
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But unless bits of pottery or other craft is discovered, there's no way to know for certain the origin of the people who left those footprints.
They could have originated from Eastern Europe or as far as Asia. It's quite possible that not all early people mingled with later or earlier people.
 
I am a HUGE fan of Ancient history - especially ancient America - and love all of these great finds! I have even been to several conferences on the subject. It is clear that EVERYONE was in north America well before it was "discovered" in 1492 but politics and Manifest Destiny prevented anyone from acknowledging it. I have a large bookshelf full of great books on the subject. One of my favorite: "Sailing to Paradise" by Jim Bailey, if anyone is interested.
 
feywon said:
I had a feeling this was the same story i read last year. Living in NM this was pretty big news here.

Indigenous peoples' oral histories put many of them here much earlier than we were taught in school. When you consider this and DNA results on a man from a northern tribe together, it is pretty clear they knew their real history better than European descent scientists theorizing in modern times.
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For some reason, new information about America's past is suppressed. I've only recently been reading about ancient America and I have been amazed at the things which are there for all to see. There have been people living there for far longer than is taught in school. There is evidence that stone age people travelled across from France and made settlements.It seems there were Europeans living in America way before the 'Indians' arrived.
 
Myquest55 said:
I am a HUGE fan of Ancient history - especially ancient America - and love all of these great finds! I have even been to several conferences on the subject. It is clear that EVERYONE was in north America well before it was "discovered" in 1492 but politics and Manifest Destiny prevented anyone from acknowledging it. I have a large bookshelf full of great books on the subject. One of my favorite: "Sailing to Paradise" by Jim Bailey, if anyone is interested.
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That book sounds fascinating, Myquest; I'm going to look for it! :)
 
Thanks @Vida May this is a great piece. I learned something.
feywon said:
Indigenous peoples' oral histories put many of them here much earlier than we were taught in school. When you consider this and DNA results on a man from a northern tribe together, it is pretty clear they knew their real history better than European descent scientists theorizing in modern times.
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I am constantly surprised by the truth in many of the ancient oral histories. However they are not infallible. Should just be considered a part of the puzzle, but certainly not ignored.
 
Alligatorob said:
Thanks @Vida May this is a great piece. I learned something.

I am constantly surprised by the truth in many of the ancient oral histories. However they are not infallible. Should just be considered a part of the puzzle, but certainly not ignored.
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Exactly. They are not infallible but neither is any other theory based on bits and peices of evidence that modern humans make assumptions as well as guesses about. Look at how long the appearance of Neanderthals was based on a skelton that was misshapen due to a disease.

The spirituality of most indigenous peoples was often grossly distorted due incomplete understanding if their langauges and a bias in favor of The Abrahamic religions.
 
feywon said:
neither is any other theory based on bits and pieces of evidence that modern humans make assumptions as well as guesses about
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That is a really good point, we have only a very few ancient pieces of evidence. Enough to be very interesting and support some theories, but not enough to be sure of much. And those theories are always changing as new finds appear.

A good example is the theory of Polynesian arrival in South America, hundreds of years before Europeans. For a long time the only "evidence" was the sweet potato, a crop that had to have come from Asia and was found in South and Central America long before Columbus. Now there appears to be some DNA support https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...sian-and-south-american-peoples-idUSKBN2492EU Of course it's not clear who went which way, but contact had to have happened.

Which suggests there maybe more to some of the other pre-Columbian contacts than we have believed.
 
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Newly found human foot prints rewrite history​

The 12th Planet by Zecharia Sitchin is a good read on this type of subject. Stitchin gives an interesting slant on the history of human civilization.
 
feywon said:
Exactly. They are not infallible but neither is any other theory based on bits and peices of evidence that modern humans make assumptions as well as guesses about. Look at how long the appearance of Neanderthals was based on a skelton that was misshapen due to a disease.

The spirituality of most indigenous peoples was often grossly distorted due incomplete understanding if their langauges and a bias in favor of The Abrahamic religions.
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In another forum discussing souls, I came to wonder if Neanderthals and ‎the Denisovans, and other species of pre-homospians had souls?
 

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