Title. I think this is really sad and irresponsible since children, unless compromised, probably would not catch covid anyway and if they did their immune systems could handle it with no ill effects. This is not the black death or anything similar. How do our friends in England feel about vaccinating kids? Why is this happening in an otherwise enlightened country like yours?
Next week England will begin jabbing 5-11 year olds.
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hawkdon
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The govenor of missouri said about the same thing as you as
the kids cannot get very sick......2yrs later the death rate of
kids is still going on.......
the kids cannot get very sick......2yrs later the death rate of
kids is still going on.......
spectratg
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My four oldest grandchildren are all in this age group and received the two-dose vaccine last year. I was greatly in favor of them doing so. None of them have gotten covid, although the parents (both vaccinated and boosted) of two of them did. On the other hand, my 2-year old granddaughter (unvaccinated) got covid earlier this year at daycare and brought it home to her parents. The baby barely noticed her very mild symptoms. Her parents were both vaccinated and boosted--my son-in-law had mild to moderate symptoms; my daughter (who has a pre-existing condition) had more severe symptoms, but has recovered for the most part. They will get the baby vaccinated as soon as she is eligible.
Life is a crap shoot. I think that, in general, the risk from getting the vaccine is lower than the risk of not getting the vaccine, for any age group. This is true for any vaccine, measles-mumps-rubella for example. Of course, if you or your child or your grandchild is one of the unlucky ones, you would probably think otherwise. The best that we can do is a risk-benefit analysis, based on the best scientific facts available.
Silent Rose
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School age kids/Day Care Children get sick a lot mostly because they are around other kids in school with runny noses and coughing without covering their mouths and stuff like that. Honestly, I don't think any of that will change much with giving this population the Covid Vaccine. It may be something that might prevent them from getting extremely ill and possibly dying from it, I don't know, but I still see kids getting sick because children in this age range don't use the proper hygiene methods. Unless the parents/teachers are on top of it constantly they don't wash their hands properly, they always seem to have a runny nose, most don't properly cover their mouths when coughing.
I suppose they are attempting to get as many people vaccinated as they can, but I am not sure how effective for this age group and even younger when it gets to that the vaccine will actually be.
I suppose they are attempting to get as many people vaccinated as they can, but I am not sure how effective for this age group and even younger when it gets to that the vaccine will actually be.
Kids 5-11 are dying in Missouri? Funny I haven't heard a thing about that.
jimintoronto
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Did you miss the number of Americans who DIED as a result of what you call " no big deal " ? At last count it was over 800,000 dead Americans . At what point will you take this seriously ? Of all of the nations on this earth, your country leads in the number of dead as a result of Covid 19 and it's variants. I bet that.......as a child you were vaccinated for a whole range of diseases, were you not ? To take just ONE example, polio has been virtually wiped out around the world, through vaccinations. JimB.
Stop yelling at me !
I never called the virus no big deal. But it's not bubonic plague that the world needs to be shut down forever over it. Yes, I was vaccinated as a child with proper vaccines that had been tested for YEARS. Not weeks. There is no comparison.
Silent Rose
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Here is huge problem that we have in just these last two posts that I read and I do not like to point out people directly, but here I will do so.
#1 over reaction and yelling at someone should never happen. Sure Covid has caused the death of many people in the world and that is horrible. I believe everyone is aware of that. There is no need to yell at somewhat over that.
#2 misrepresentation of some facts. Covid has been around way before Covid was a huge issue in this world and has been researched as such not for just weeks but for many years. So to think that all these vaccines came out of research in weeks is not true at all.
I think the bottom line with all of this is people need to just start looking at this and judging it for themselves what they want to do and leave it at that. They need to leave the other person out of it and the confrontations and just stick to their plan of action.
#1 over reaction and yelling at someone should never happen. Sure Covid has caused the death of many people in the world and that is horrible. I believe everyone is aware of that. There is no need to yell at somewhat over that.
#2 misrepresentation of some facts. Covid has been around way before Covid was a huge issue in this world and has been researched as such not for just weeks but for many years. So to think that all these vaccines came out of research in weeks is not true at all.
I think the bottom line with all of this is people need to just start looking at this and judging it for themselves what they want to do and leave it at that. They need to leave the other person out of it and the confrontations and just stick to their plan of action.
jimintoronto
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You mentioned the bubonic plague twice. Perhaps you should read about it. This link is informative. The FIRST bubonic plague ran from 1346 to 1353 and it killed an estimated 75 million people, to perhaps as many as 200 million people in Asia, Africa, and Europe. link Black Death - Wikipedia JImB.
hollydolly
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I hadn't heard they were vaccinating kids from next week...
Murrmurr
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Chic, I don't believe the kids vaccine is mandated. They announced that it's available, they strongly recommend it for children with comorbidities, and they said you should discuss it with your child's pediatrician.
There's an article in the British Medical Journal that shows all the child vaccine injury data and analyses, and they recommend it only for children w/comorbidity and/or under age 11.
Murrmurr
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Kids also die from the flu every year, and those numbers were higher last year if I remember right.
Remy
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I hadn't had the flu in years and the way I felt Monday (gratefully this was rather short for the worst of it) I was wondering if it's the flu that will get me someday.
Murrmurr
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Same here. I caught the flu once when I was 30-something and had to take a few days off work. I've never had a flu shot.
I've read that the covid vaccine also protects you from the flu, but I forget where I read it so not sure if it was a reliable source.
Remy
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I wear a mask at work and work part time. The flu was going around work and I guess it still is. I got stuck with a double shift Saturday and we've been able to go down to the blue surgical masks. At this point I wish I'd kept wearing the n95.
I hadn't heard about the covid shot protection. I'm vaxed and boosted and probably won't get the second one unless it becomes required by work which it eventually could be. All the others are.
Don M.
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I haven't seen any data related to "deaths by age", but the highest number by age of those "getting" Covid seems to be children between the ages of 10 to 19.....probably due to their interactions with each other.
https://health.mo.gov/living/healthcondiseases/communicable/novel-coronavirus/cases-by-age.php
^^^^ Good question from a thinking person.
Yes, much like some kids who died of an infection after scraping their knee.
And that woman who swam in a lake & had to have her leg amputated at the hip when some type of bacteria in the water infected her leg & caused necrosis.
There are rare things that do happen sometimes. That doesn't justify a useless vaccine.
Silent Rose
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By chance are you a Doctor or a Retired Doctor or a Medical Expert in the field of Infectious Diseases?
Tish
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@chic over here they are recommending that children aged between 5 - 11 be vaccinated but as far as I know it is not mandated.
My daughter has all her children vaccinated including her 10-year-old, as he is Asthmatic.
We have had a few young people die from covid over here between the ages of 18 months old and 5 years old.
The latest young death was a 2-year-old a week ago.
My daughter has all her children vaccinated including her 10-year-old, as he is Asthmatic.
We have had a few young people die from covid over here between the ages of 18 months old and 5 years old.
The latest young death was a 2-year-old a week ago.
It won't be mandated where I live. Is it different in CA.?
I'm curious because England said they were moving forward from covid and then dropped all mandates etc. BUT they are proceeding with vaxxing kids below the age of consent. How is this moving forward from covid? To my mind moving forward would be treating covid as endemic. Not by vaccinating healthy children at little risk from the disease. 
Yes, they are Hols.I hadn't heard they were vaccinating kids from next week...