No More Petrol or Diesel cars 10 years from now..

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Our government has passed a motion which states that the purchase of new Petrol or Diesel cars will be banned from 2030..just 10 years from now.


from the Media today....

'Driving will become a privilege for the wealthy': Warning PM's decision to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2030 as part of green push will punish motorists who can't afford electric cars - and leave a £40BILLION black hole in tax revenues​

  • Boris Johnson is unveiling a ten-point, £12billion plan for the environment
  • It includes investment in nuclear power, wind energy and domestic heating
  • 'Green industrial revolution' may create 250,000 jobs and cut carbon emissions
  • The petrol and diesel ban is to start a decade earlier than originally planned




Motorists were today warned that road pricing is inevitable and driving could become a 'privilege for the wealthy' after Boris Johnson announced a ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030.
The PM is facing a backlash after he unveiled a new environment plan, including introducing the curbs a decade earlier than originally planned.
Mr Johnson is heralding a 'green industrial revolution' as he launches a ten-point, £12billion plan for the environment, saying it could create 250,000 jobs and slash the country's carbon emissions.


It includes further investment in nuclear power, wind energy, domestic heating and cutting-edge technology such as carbon capture and storage.

However, with electric vehicles costing far more than conventional models, there are fears the push will hit the poor. Car firms have warned that moving too quickly risks 'pricing those who most need it out of personal mobility'.

Meanwhile, a leading economist cautioned that the switch will put £40billion in road taxes at risk because electric vehicles are exempt.

'Some form of road pricing will be needed,' said Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

'The Government needs to get started now – it will be very hard to introduce after people have got used to no tax.'






Sales of new petrol and diesel cars are to be banned in 2030, Boris Johnson announced today
Paving the way for an electric vehicle revolution, he unveiled a ten-point, £12billion plan for the environment




Paving the way for an electric vehicle revolution, he unveiled a ten-point, £12billion plan for the environment

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Nicholas Lyes of the RAC warned that many motorists would be nervous about the switch to electric cars, given their limited driving range and charging problems.

Urging ministers to revive discount schemes for buyers, he said the biggest barrier by far was the high upfront cost.

The push for electric vehicles will come with a £1.3billion investment in charging points in homes, streets and trunk roads.

Among the moves being announced today are:

  • Ambitious proposals to ramp up production of hydrogen with the hope of heating an entire town with the low-carbon fuel by the end of the decade;
  • A pledge to invest in small-scale nuclear reactors but put off a decision on Sizewell in Suffolk;

10-point plan at a glance​


ELECTRIC VEHICLES
Banning new sales of petrol and diesel cars by 2030. Investment in battery technology and the roll-out of electric car charging points.
OFFSHORE WIND
Installing thousands of offshore turbines to produce enough energy to power every home by 2030.
HYDROGEN
Working with industry to generate five gigawatts of the low carbon fuel by 2030.
NUCLEAR
Investing in new technology to develop mini- reactors. Decision still pending on major new power stations like Sizewell, in Suffolk.
PUBLIC TRANSPORT
Cycling and walking: £5 billion investment in low carbon transport, with cycle lanes to benefit from a share of £2 billion fund.
JET ZERO
Supporting the development of the world's first commercial zero carbon plane.
HOMES AND BUILDINGS
Making homes, schools and hospitals greener and warmer, with improved insulation and heat pumps phased in to replace conventional boilers.
CARBON CAPTURE
Becoming a world-leader in technology to capture and store harmful emissions.
NATURE
Protecting and restoring the natural environment, including planting 75,000 acres of trees every year.
INNOVATION & FINANCE
Developing new green technology and making the City the global centre of green finance.
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  • Plans to install 600,000 household heat pump systems a year by 2028;
  • A vow to make the UK a world leader in carbon capture and storage technology;
  • Approving plans for a £5billion investment in buses, cycling and walking – with new cycle lanes set to share from a £2billion fund;
  • Improving the natural environment with 75,000 acres of tree-planting a year;
  • Confirmation of plans to build thousands of wind turbines.
The UK has a legal target to cut greenhouse gases to net zero by 2050, requiring huge cuts to emissions and any remaining pollution from sectors such as aviation needs to be 'offset' by measures such as planting trees.


Question.... Is this happening in your country?...If it were to happen and it most likely will, how do you think you would cope ?

I was thinking that by that time I'll be 75, I'd probably buy a fuel driven car, I imagine like most people.. the year before the ban which would see me out...what say you?
 

Wishful thinking....IMO. While electric cars may be the norm, in the future, 10 years is a bit optimistic. Such a transition would require a a major infrastructure increase in electrical power generation, and the establishment of large numbers of charging stations. Plus, the cars and batteries would need to be rechargeable in a fraction of the time they take today, to be considered practical.
 
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Don M. said:
Wishful thinking....IMO. While electric cars may the the norm, in the future, 10 years is a bit optimistic. Such a transition would require a a major infrastructure increase in electrical power generation, and the establishment of large numbers of charging stations. Plus, the cars and batteries would need to be rechargeable in a fraction of the time they take today, to be considered practical.
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Agree here.
 
It seems reasonable for the UK. The older cars will still be available for a while. Also you have a wonderful public transportation system in the UK so it isn't as necessary to have a car there as it is here in the US.

As more electric cars are made their price should come down. I've heard that some companies are working on battery technology that will bring the cost down to be close to the cost of gasoline and diesel vehicles.

In addition progress in the technology of fuel cell vehicles (hydrogen powered) may improve enough and get cheap enough to make them more reasonable.
 
asp3 said:
It seems reasonable for the UK. The older cars will still be available for a while. Also you have a wonderful public transportation system in the UK so it isn't as necessary to have a car there as it is here in the US.
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Compared to the USA I agree... but.. here in the UK the transport system is only good in the cities and very large towns...out in the country, in the villages, and hamlets it's almost non-existent
 
Anything electric is jeopardy from natural disaster such as what happens in wildfires in California where electric transmission lines are shut down to prevent or are damaged by fire. Same for what happens after a storm, hurricane etc some places are months without electricity. Time would be better spent or more fuel efficiency which would cut down emissions. Just letting older vehicles retire/die naturally would help because of the newer engine vehicle efficiency.

And electronic trash can be just as harmful to the environment as emissions. Where are all these car batteries, circut boards and components going to wind up again.
 
There's got to be better battery technology before this is feasible. Currently, electric batteries use cobalt, primarily mined from the Congo where working conditions are horrible, especially for young children. Elon Musk recently stated he was switching Tesla to nickle which has its own mining issues, but is certainly better than cobalt.

Financial Times link: Congo, child labour and your electric car

Children at work mining cobalt:

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Social media meme:

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My friends have a Tesla. They report that it takes about 30 minutes to recharge at a charging station. When they drive long distances, for instance from WA to CA, they pre-plan their food and rest breaks to coincide with recharging needs.

Presumably, the UK will ensure sufficient charging stations before this plan is enacted.

Kudos to Boris for this brave step forward.

Humans will only wean ourselves from heavy fossil fuel dependence when leaders start to force the issue. Oil companies certainly aren't going to lead the charge...
 
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StarSong said:
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Humans will only wean ourselves from heavy fossil fuel dependence when leaders start to force the issue. Oil companies certainly isn't going to lead the charge...
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Big Oil certainly doesn't want it to happen. But battery research to avoid the need for rare earth minerals is going full speed. Can you imagine the billions to be made on a cheaper, less inhumane and more environmentally friendly battery technology? That's motivating research. Once we have that, I think fossil fuel vehicles will phase out in areas of the world that have reliable electric supply.
 
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AnnieA said:
There's got to be better battery technology before this is feasible. Currently, electric batteries use cobalt, primarily mined from the Congo where working conditions are horrible, especially for young children. Elon Musk recently stated he was switching Tesla to nickle which has its own mining issues, but is certainly better than cobalt.

Financial Times link: Congo, child labour and your electric car

Children at work mining cobalt:

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Social media meme:

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Agree that better batteries are needed - and are being developed.

Child labor and unsafe working conditions are a separate issue. When Walmart, Kathie Lee Gifford and numerous other apparel companies were outed for child labor and terrible conditions, oversight was increased in the factories and humanitarian organizations stepped in to help purge the industry of exploiters.

Social media memes pinning exploitation on Greta Thunberg are beyond ridiculous and patently unfair.

I celebrate and admire that young woman's environmental commitment and focus on the issues.
 
StarSong said:
Agree that better batteries are needed - and are being developed.

Child labor and unsafe working conditions are a separate issue. When Walmart, Kathie Lee Gifford and numerous other apparel companies were outed for child labor and terrible conditions, oversight was increased in the factories and humanitarian organizations stepped in to help purge the industry of exploiters.

Social media memes pinning exploitation on Greta Thunberg are beyond ridiculous and patently unfair.

I celebrate and admire that young woman's environmental commitment and focus on the issues.
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The ongoing exploitation of third world workers in the Congo to mine cobalt for electric batteries started way before Greta came on the scene. It's in no way her fault. I see the meme as a reminder that we have to consider all facets of an issue. What looks great in the first world maybe isn't so great everywhere.
 
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fmdog44 said:
Charging ten years from now will look nothing like today.
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Agreed. Along with battery technology research, there's also ongoing research looking into more effective solar panels. I imagine when better tech is developed in both areas (and it probably will be by then), a lot of our electric vehicle energy will occur as we drive in the sun. Maybe even wind generating tech as we drive.
 
Solar is the answer and we could probably already be there if -beginning 100 years ago - there had been as many government $$$ put into research & development, tax breaks and other benefits as has been thrown at the fossil fuel industry since then.

Probably not done because sunshine is free. Hard to make it a money maker and the world runs on money.

Nikola Tesla (no connection to the car) was a genius. He rivaled our own Thomas Edison. His idea was for his type of electricity to be free for all much like the www. works today - for the good of mankind.

I do hope the world steers away from nuclear, at least until someone comes up with a better way to deal with nuclear waste.
 
Just assume that these measures do come into force, then vintage car rallies will likely be banned, and those old steam rallies will go too, so I suppose that my old peat powered lawn mower will become extinct also. 😊
 
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