Noah’s Ark. To some a true Biblical Story.

LadyEmeraude

LadyEmeraude

You may call me EM 😊
..in your opinion true or untrue?

A point of contention for many believers is whether the flood was a global or a local event.
 

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The flood: some analyses view the intentional, systematic, and widespread destruction of humanity in the Flood narrative as meeting the criteria for genocide or mass murder. Conversely, theological arguments often frame it as a divine righteous judgment upon universal wickedness, meaning it is not viewed as a crime by those who accept the premise of God's absolute authority over life.
 
Well considering none of us were there to witness it we can't really say what did or didn't happen. Being a believer is based on faith.

If it really did happen I can imagine it would've been far more terrifying than anything we see today.
 
There is no scientific support for a global flood, and let's remember, we must look for the answer through science, which gave us Lamarckism,the Piltdown man, Ernst Haeckel's embryonic drawings, and Orthogenesis, among other theories since discredited.
 
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There have been many studies by archaeologists and scientists. These people say that if Noah would have built the Ark as God had requested in Genesis 6:15, the Ark would not have been big enough to house the number of animals that God had also requested.
They also question if the floods happened as they say there is no scientific evidence of a flood.

IMO: God can work miracles. God may have temporarily expanded the Ark to be able to hold the number of animals that Noah brought onboard. God could have also destroyed any evidence of floods. God could have done this as a test of our faith. With no evidence people wouldn’t believe there was an ark or a flood of the earth. However, if a person is a true believer, they are likely to believe there was an ark and a flood, but being a believer, I can say, “God performs miracles.” I am a believer.

If anyone is a recovering alcoholic or drug addict and has attended AA meetings or NA meetings and have gone through the 12 step program, you know that you have a higher power. Your higher power can be anything you choose that you decide to make spiritual, but not religious. You could even choose to make your dog as your higher power and many have.
 
The Old Testament Genesis scripture of Noah and the Flood is some of the strongest and most obvious proof of how scripture has a long history of being manipulated and misinterpreted for the sake of religious agendas, while much was NOT inspired by god and is NOT inerrant. The original version by the Yahwist source is what was supposedly related to Moses. Centuries later, (~597BC) that was edited and combined by Priestly sources after Israelites were brought to Babylon beginning with King Nebuchadrezzar II's sieges of Jerusalem.

The Priests in captivity of the far more advanced Mesopotamian civilization, changed scripture to reflect some views of their captors they considered more knowledgeable. Thus, what was originally just a local Tigris and Euphrates flood was modified to be worldwide for the sake of being more impressive and god caused. In like matter, the nonsense of the Genesis Creation story was a latter addition and not from Moses where his input began at Gen 2.4b.

The below link tersely summarizes the issue. There is vastly more scholarly discussion online one can search for today. The below Reddit post is a convenient, brief summary someone posted that relieves this person of wasting my time doing so.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/k5eejg

Question: The Bible teaches the flood was worldwide...

No, it doesn’t. (Men with religious agendas interpreted flood scripture as being worldwide.)

1. Context: our modern expectations have no basis in ancient literature. Genesis is part of a larger Hebrew canon called the Torah which is the end product of a complex literary process. To read Genesis as science or contemporary history, expecting answers to: chronology, methodology, order and organization makes no sense. People in 500 BC had no expectation of scientific/historical explanations of "how". It’s irrational to pedantically assert Genesis must be viewed in the same context of a contemporary science or history textbook.

2. Reification is treating something that is nuanced and abstract as of it were a concrete thing. When reification is asserted to form an argument or draw a conclusion – it’s deceptive and insupportable. In other words unscientific. The author of Genesis, and the bible for that matter, had no idea what modern readers would mean when we say “history” or “science”. Today we’re indoctrinated to read critical analysis of observable and verifiable events with footnotes and citations – an entirely modern invention. Those modern concepts would have been a totally foreign concept to Bible authors.

3. The “universal” language of Genesis 6-8 (Hebrew words translated to “earth,” “all,” “every,” and “under heaven”) are obviously used in other places in the Bible to describe local or regional events and, therefore, cannot necessarily be taken as all-inclusive over the entire planet Earth.

4. The biblical and nonbiblical evidence is that Noah’s Flood was confined to Mesopotamia, extending over a vast alluvial plain as far as the eye could see, from horizon to horizon (under the “whole heaven” or sky). The flood was a real to Noah, an event that covered — not the whole world — but the whole of Noah’s world.

5. A universal flood stems from a centuries-old interpretation of the Bible not warranted by either the biblical or scientific evidence. The King James Version, written in the seventeenth century, reflects the very limited view that the translators had then of the planet Earth and its geology. It’s is this centuries-old, traditional view that has been passed down ever since.

6. The Bible, like any ancient text, should always be interpreted within the framework of the culture in which it was originally written — in this case, the Mesopotamian culture of the third millennium BC (not the European culture of the seventeenth century AD.)

Conclusion: It is only by rationally considering the culture and world view in which Gen. 6–8 was written that the Noachian Flood can really be understood.
 
As my son said to me when he was about ten: Dad, do you know how many kinds of beetles there are? You're saying they went out and found two of each?

BTW there are about 350,000 species of beetles.
 
I’m ok with it.

I’m not sure how many biblical stories I bleieve are completely factual or that it’s necessary for them to be 100% true in order to pass on a set of values and beliefs that help some people to form a moral compass that guides them through life.

Aesop, Mother Goose, the Brothers Grimm, and many many others offered some great stuff that wasn’t 100% fact based. 😉🤭😂
 
We all have our own opinion on this subject. And, no one is going to change their mind due to anything written here. Unless this is just a survey, it really serves no purpose.

If anyone is interested in what modern archeology says about the Old Testament or Torah, I recommend The Bible Unearthed by two Israeli archeologists. I got my used copy in good condition on Ebay for $7 including shipping.
 
Common sense needed here. How many years would it take to walk all over the world and bring back 2 of every animals? Even if you did, the ark would have to be bigger than the Titanic. Did they go to Australia and bring back kangaroos, dingoes, platypus, red bellied black snakes, Eastern brown snakes, koalas. How about the Tasmanian devils? According to a song, they did forget the unicorns. It's laughable. Pure laughable.

Oh by the way, the only way I know about red bellied black snakes and Eastern brown snakes, is from watching Aussie Snake Wranglers. :ROFLMAO:
 
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... and of course there are those who say rainbows aren't real ... just an optical illusion
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In that regard, I guess you could say that rainbows surround each and every one of us all day every day ... and although present, you can't always see them. Hmmm. Sometimes situations and circumstance reveal them.

The story of Noah’s Ark sits at the crossroads of faith, history, and science. Some take it as literal fact, with Noah wrangling a floating zoo and feeding lions next to sheep without incident. Others see it as sacred symbolism, a story of judgment, mercy, and renewal where the ark becomes a vessel of salvation or obedience. Scholars tend to file it under “myth with possible roots in big floods,” noting that nearly every culture has its own version of a world washed clean. Whether read as history, allegory, or ancient disaster relief, the Ark remains a powerful image of refuge in chaos and, at the very least, proof that humanity has always worried about bad weather.
 

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