Nov. 1 from frontline heroes to unemployed.

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In some U. S. cities, specifically L.A. Nov. 1 was the deadline for medical workers in to get vaxxed or get fired. This makes no sense to me at all. If this pandemic is as dangerous as we are led to believe, why fire doctors, nurses and medical personnel now? Why can't they just continue as they did before there was a vaccine? I don't understand this move from a scientific perspective. It feels like a control issue, not a health issue which is what it should be.
 

Mandates are needed to get this deadly virus under control. Now that vaccines are readily available, there is no excuse not to get them, unless you have a serious medical condition and your doctor advises you not to. They have the choice to get vaccinated or be canned, it's their choice.

Almost 800,000 dead Americans since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, it is dangerous and deadly, regardless whether you are in denial or not Chic.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Mandates are needed to get this deadly virus under control. Now that vaccines are readily available, there is no excuse not to get them, unless you have a serious medical condition and your doctor advises you not to. They have the choice to get vaccinated or be canned, it's their choice.

Almost 800,000 dead Americans since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, it is dangerous and deadly, regardless whether you are in denial or not Chic.
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You didn't answer the question. If covid was just as deadly last year before there was a vaccine and these workers were our heroes, why are they no longer allowed to practice their craft, support their families and help others just as they did?

Mandates are not needed. It's just more political insanity. You can catch, transmit and die from covid just as easily if you are fully vaccinated as you can if you are not. This is a fact. We've all seen it and perhaps known people who have died from covid fully vaxxed. Firing necessary medical staff during what's supposed to be a dangerous pandemic doesn't make sense from the perspective of health concerns if they are indeed valid at all. This action makes me believe they are not.
 
chic said:
You didn't answer the question. If covid was just as deadly last year before there was a vaccine and these workers were our heroes, why are they no longer allowed to practice their craft, support their families and help others just as they did?

Mandates are not needed. It's just more political insanity. You can catch, transmit and die from covid just as easily if you are fully vaccinated as you can if you are not. This is a fact. We've all seen it and perhaps known people who have died from covid fully vaxxed. Firing necessary medical staff during what's supposed to be a dangerous pandemic doesn't make sense from the perspective of health concerns if they are indeed valid at all. This action makes me believe they are not.
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I'll answer your question...

https://krdo.com/news/2021/10/19/fi...d-19-as-from-gunfire-since-start-of-pandemic/

Also, if they are unvaccinated they are 5 times more likely to spread the virus to others who may be immunocompromised or unvaccinated. I know I would certainly feel better if the EMTs who take my 89 year-old mother to the hospital are vaccinated. And the nurses who care for her. You are welcome to your "political insanity" views.
 
chic said:
In some U. S. cities, specifically L.A. Nov. 1 was the deadline for medical workers in to get vaxxed or get fired. This makes no sense to me at all. If this pandemic is as dangerous as we are led to believe, why fire doctors, nurses and medical personnel now? Why can't they just continue as they did before there was a vaccine? I don't understand this move from a scientific perspective. It feels like a control issue, not a health issue which is what it should be.
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I agree... there are no words. :rolleyes:
 
chic said:
You didn't answer the question. If covid was just as deadly last year before there was a vaccine and these workers were our heroes, why are they no longer allowed to practice their craft, support their families and help others just as they did?

Mandates are not needed. It's just more political insanity. You can catch, transmit and die from covid just as easily if you are fully vaccinated as you can if you are not. This is a fact. We've all seen it and perhaps known people who have died from covid fully vaxxed. Firing necessary medical staff during what's supposed to be a dangerous pandemic doesn't make sense from the perspective of health concerns if they are indeed valid at all. This action makes me believe they are not.
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This is just my take on it and my take only.. Sometimes you try to do everything to save your life that it takes a toll on you. Only a few will understand this. I know this from experience and from a few people in my life. If I had followed doctors instruction years ago, I don't think I will be here or I will be bed ridden. We know our bodies better than any doctor or government..jmo. We all do what is best for us.
 
chic said:
You didn't answer the question. If covid was just as deadly last year before there was a vaccine and these workers were our heroes, why are they no longer allowed to practice their craft, support their families and help others just as they did?
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This has been a deadly pandemic all along. Now that there are vaccines available to protect yourself and others from the virus, it should be mandated. We didn't have the Delta variant in the beginning, and that is another thing to consider. They are still allowed to support their families and work, providing they do what is recommended for health and safety and get vaccinated. Very simple

chic said:
You can catch, transmit and die from covid just as easily if you are fully vaccinated as you can if you are not. This is a fact.
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Even with the Delta variant now present, vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID-19 to others. Vaccinated people are also more likely to have milder cases if they are infected after the vaccine, and less likely to die from the virus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...kely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant.

“People who have been vaccinated will have immune systems at the ready that can coat the virus in antibodies much more quickly than unvaccinated people who have to build up an immune response,” Richterman said.

The new study showed that protection against transmission seemed to wane over time, however. After three months, people who had breakthrough infections after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca were just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated. While protection against transmission decreased in people who had received the Pfizer vaccine, there was still a benefit when compared with people who were unvaccinated.

Since antibody levels also tend to decrease over time after vaccination, a reduction in protection against transmission is to be expected, Richterman said.


“We know that the amount of antibodies circulating in the blood decreases over time after vaccination, even though the immune memory remains durably robust and is still able to prevent infections, particularly severe infection,” he said. “These circulating antibodies that are immediately available probably play some role in preventing transmission if infected, so I don’t think it’s surprising to see some reduced protection against transmission over time.”
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chic said:
In some U. S. cities, specifically L.A. Nov. 1 was the deadline for medical workers in to get vaxxed or get fired. This makes no sense to me at all. If this pandemic is as dangerous as we are led to believe, why fire doctors, nurses and medical personnel now? Why can't they just continue as they did before there was a vaccine? I don't understand this move from a scientific perspective. It feels like a control issue, not a health issue which is what it should be.
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It's just more BS that doesn't add up. They are tripping over their own lies.
They claim there is a shortage of law enforcement, then they fire cops who don't want an experimental vaccine.
 
If you read either CTV news article it confirms that the majority of Covid cases are in the unvaccinated.

The ’sweeps’ through the league was 14 cases and other than the 75 year old man all were mild. His family still believes in the vaccination.
 
win231 said:
Priceless & spot on!
It will get even more entertaining after people with 15 shots blame those with 14.
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I'll be labelled a conspiracy theorist for even thinking this but if the vaccine and boosters do what I've heard was their true intent they may not be alive to. Population control etc. etc. It's possible because this certainly isn't about making people healthy.
 
5 times as many police officers have died from Covid, than the number killed by gunfire, since this pandemic hit. Given the types of individuals these officers have to deal with, I would think that the police would be quite willing to be vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html

Between this vaccine "resistance", and a growing number of police resigning, or calling in "sick", I'm sure the criminals are cheering.
 
chic said:
And fire fighters in NYC. Let's see how that plays out. It's all so needless.
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I agree, it is needless. All they have to do is the responsible thing and get an approved vaccination during a deadly worldwide pandemic that is infecting our country and killing almost 800,000 Americans. Not a lot to ask, except for selfish people or those who believe the disinformation and conspiracies and have a coronavirus vaccine boogeyman hiding under their beds every night scaring them senseless.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree, it is needless. All they have to do is the responsible thing and get an approved vaccination during a deadly worldwide pandemic that is infecting our country and killing almost 800,000 Americans. Not a lot to ask, except for selfish people or those who believe the disinformation and conspiracies and have a coronavirus vaccine boogeyman hiding under their beds every night scaring them senseless.
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Why claim Covid killed 800,000 Americans? Why not make it 5,000,000?
Did you forget to include the thousands of corpses stored in refrigerated meat trucks?
 
SeaBreeze said:
Sorry win, I won't engage you or encourage you to mock the dead. May all who lost their lives in this pandemic rest in peace. Sympathy to their mourning family members.
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Uh......you just did engage me.
Much like another member's childishness.
 

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