Octopus Unscrews The Lid Of A Jar From Inside To Get Free

PeppermintPatty said:
Dare I ask what the octopus is doing in the jar in the first place?
Do people just stuff them in there until they die? 😕
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No, it wasn't stuffed in there to die, Patty. I should have realized that some people wouldn't understand that it was just an exercise, an example, to show the intelligence and capabilities the octopus has to figure out how to free itself. Did you notice that after it removed the lid, it curled up back into the jar? It obviously didn't want to come out. It's not always about escaping, it's about not feeling trapped. I hope that explains it to your satisfaction. :)

Humans want to believe that they’re the smartest creatures on the planet. But the more we understand octopuses, the more it seems that we may not be alone in our ability to solve problems, make complex connections between ideas, and survive by wits alone.
 

Bella said:
No, it wasn't stuffed in there to die, Patty. I should have realized that some people wouldn't understand that it was just an exercise, an example, to show the intelligence and capabilities the octopus has to figure out how to free itself. Did you notice that after it removed the lid, it curled up back into the jar? It obviously didn't want to come out. It's not always about escaping, it's about not feeling trapped. I hope that explains it to your satisfaction. :)

Humans want to believe that they’re the smartest creatures on the planet. But the more we understand octopuses, the more it seems that we may not be alone in our ability to solve problems, make complex connections between ideas, and survive by wits alone.
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There was a video regarding birds, how they used tools to get bugs, could recognize people, words and locations. The more we learn about animals, shows we've underrated them far too much.
 
Bella said:
No, it wasn't stuffed in there to die, Patty. I should have realized that some people wouldn't understand that it was just an exercise, an example, to show the intelligence and capabilities the octopus has to figure out how to free itself. Did you notice that after it removed the lid, it curled up back into the jar? It obviously didn't want to come out. It's not always about escaping, it's about not feeling trapped. I hope that explains it to your satisfaction. :)

Humans want to believe that they’re the smartest creatures on the planet. But the more we understand octopuses, the more it seems that we may not be alone in our ability to solve problems, make complex connections between ideas, and survive by wits alone.
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I saw Chinese letters so wasn’t sure.
Im glad it’s not kept in there. I thought they belonged in the water.

Humans aren’t the smartest animals on the planet. We are probably the stupidest.
Look what we’ve done to a planet that’s been here for over 4.5 BiLLION years. We’ve been here about 300,000 years and apparently we’re civil.

Nature alone is brilliant. I’m not surprised the octopus can get out. 🙂
 
On Netflix , about two years back ... there was a documentary about a guy that "made friends" with an Octopus in a tide pool.

At first the little Octopus ... about the size of two hands, would swim over , and let the guy pet it ! Then after awhile, the guy would sit down, and the the little Octopus would climb up on his chest , and seemed to just fall asleep as the guy would stroke it's head with his fingers .

One day it was no longer there. The man thinks it was just that ... no longer here .... he assumes it became food for a larger animal.

That part was kind of sad to think but ..... I guess that's life in the sea.
 
rgp said:
On Netflix , about two years back ... there was a documentary about a guy that "made friends" with an Octopus in a tide pool.

At first the little Octopus ... about the size of two hands, would swim over , and let the guy pet it ! Then after awhile, the guy would sit down, and the the little Octopus would climb up on his chest , and seemed to just fall asleep as the guy would stroke it's head with his fingers .

One day it was no longer there. The man thinks it was just that ... no longer here .... he assumes it became food for a larger animal.

That part was kind of sad to think but ..... I guess that's life in the sea.
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I watched that. It's a very enjoyable doc.

Octopuses don't live long. The males die after spawning and females die about the same time their broods hatch. In fact, many species are eaten by their newly hatched babies. By then, the mother is dead or nearly dead.
 
Balzac said:
The octopus is an amazing creature, very intelligent. Yet there are plans by Spain to create a huge octopus farm, which has got a lot of opposition including from some scientists. I'll see if I can find the story...

Here it is
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-64814781
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I don't like the sound of this. Commercial farming of octopuses under bright lights and crowded conditions is a horrible unnatural way to breed these solitary animals and then to subject them to a slow, cruel death in an “ice slurry” is unacceptable. Just the thought of it makes me mad and is very upsetting. Leave those octopuses alone!
 
Balzac said:
The octopus is an amazing creature, very intelligent. Yet there are plans by Spain to create a huge octopus farm, which has got a lot of opposition including from some scientists. I'll see if I can find the story...

Here it is
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-64814781
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And they want to do this because Asian countries have fished their own oceans so heavily they've decimated the populations of all their favorites. Seems like Asian countries are the worst at making sure they protect what they eat so they don't run out.
 

Octopus Unscrews The Lid Of A Jar From Inside To Get Free​


Clever, very clever I agree, but let me tell you, I've peeled an orange in my pocket with one hand, and I don't have suckers on my fingers. 😊
 
The octopus is about as far away from humans as an animal can get. The last common ancestor of us and octopuses is a flatworm that trawled the sea floor 750 million years ago. 941 genes are shared between vertebrates and octopuses. In fact, 879 genes are shared between humans (out of ~20k total) and octopuses. One of my own speculations is the Cambrian Explosion 538.8 million years ago could have been the result of a non-organic UIE race using directed robotic panspermia to seed a range of DNA multicellular life on our planet Earth. If so recent cephalopods genetic research increasingly supports that hypothesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...puss-evolution-is-even-stranger-than-thought/
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Along with fossil records, species are typically dated by analyzing the number of mutations they have accumulated—in most species these genetic blips occur at a steady rate, creating a sort of “molecular clock” that can be used to calculate evolutionary time lines. If RNA editing allows changes in the cephalopod's DNA to occur at a markedly slower rate than is normally assumed, the animals most likely arose many millions of years earlier than current time lines suggest. In other words, the DNA mutations they do harbor would have taken a lot longer to crop up.

It is certain within our Milky Way galaxy that there are total liquid water ocean covering worlds within habitable zones of their stars. If so, it would be likely some have evolved intelligent octopus and squid like species. If so, one might argue a race of UIEs would be more likely to have transplanted such to seed other planets.
 
I am about a third of the way through a sci-fi novel right now, called Mountain in the Sea by Ray Nayler.

It deals with human-level octopus intelligence in the rather-dystopian future. The octopi have started communicating with the humans (and Artificial Intelligence) by symbols on their skins. Sea life has been severely depleted by overfishing except for this ultra-protected area of islands under the control of some sort of corporation.

One interesting thing noted in the novel is that octopi live only for about a year, so every generation starts over without knowledge being passed down from the previous generation, except for instinct. If humans started over again every generation without written or pictured knowledge, we wouldn't be building spaceships and going to Mars. In the novel, it has become apparent that the octopi are now passing on knowledge by showing the symbols on their skins to the younger creatures.

I really hope the books ends well. I'm tempted to skip to the end but I have resisted the urge so far.
 
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