Oh well,whats another 1,500 of our troops.

Davey Jones

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Just keep saying to yourself "THEY ARE ONLY ADVISORS,THEY ARE ONLY ADVISORS."

WASHINGTON — President Obama has authorized the deployment of an additional 1,500 American troops to Iraq in the coming months, doubling the number of Americans meant to train and advise Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

In addition, White House budget officials said they would ask Congress for $5 billion for military operations in the Middle East against the Islamic State, including $1.6 billion to train and equip Iraqi troops.

 

Well, now it's time for the new Congress to step up and do it's job. Let's see how they perform..


So tell us,what can the new Congress do about this war situation? Ask a rep of ISIS to speak at a joint session of Congress?

NO ONE really has the answers to this problem in Iraq. Obama doesnt want body bags coming home.The Generals of the U.S. military seem to favor it.

The ISIS woud love to kill or capture a few Americans soldiers and I can guarantee you it will happen. Then what?
 

We've lost two Marines, so far, since we redeployed "advisors" to support the Iraqi troops against ISIL/ISIS. As the deployments of U.S. military increase, so will the casualties. Are we to sit by, allowing thousands more over there to be butchered by these animals? Are we to sit by, allowing ISIS/ISIL to gain strength and numbers and bring their hate to our shores? I can't answer either of those questions.

What I do know is that we will not solve the Shia/Sunni religious strife that sees one slaughter the other. This is a centuries old religious culture that is built on hate. It is like a cancer for which there is no cure. You can wipe out the bad cells here and there, then they bounce back in other places. Every American life lost, so far, in Iraq and Afghanistan has not... and will not... change this culture. Additional American lives lost as we deploy more troops into this mess will not change this culture. The U.S. has supported Sunni governments in some areas and Shia governments in others. Neither side trusts us and both cultures will shoot Americans in the back if they believe we are of no value to them and their cause. But...

Unchecked, the ISIL/ISIS is a rabid strain of Islam. ISIL/ISIS is spreading over an entire region and must be stopped. We can't wipe it out, but we can stop the spread. We can't change the culture, but we MUST contain it.

Our son is with the 5th Special Forces Group. Rumors have been rampant that they will be deployed right after the first of the year. Those rumors have not been centered on any one area of deployment. I believe the Pentagon is holding off on deployment to see what the POTUS does and the new Congress does as far as ISIS/ISIL, assuming more troops will be sent there soon.
 
I agree that there is no way we can bring peace to those cultures. I have seen it tried over and over again. It may sound cold hearted but I think we should get out and let them handle it themselves. The cycle just repeats over and over, for a while one sect is stronger and butchers the other. The it swings back the other way. Every American life lost trying to make peace between them is an American life wasted.
 
Just keep saying to yourself "THEY ARE ONLY ADVISORS,THEY ARE ONLY ADVISORS."

WASHINGTON — President Obama has authorized the deployment of an additional 1,500 American troops to Iraq in the coming months, doubling the number of Americans meant to train and advise Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

In addition, White House budget officials said they would ask Congress for $5 billion for military operations in the Middle East against the Islamic State, including $1.6 billion to train and equip Iraqi troops.



Why not, you got lots of cash right? What's a few billion here or there.
 
I agree that there is no way we can bring peace to those cultures. I have seen it tried over and over again. It may sound cold hearted but I think we should get out and let them handle it themselves. The cycle just repeats over and over, for a while one sect is stronger and butchers the other. The it swings back the other way. Every American life lost trying to make peace between them is an American life wasted.


Considering that a study recently found that 95% of the deaths in any war are civilians, think then too of all the moms and dads and grandma's and grandpa's and children who've been killed for no reason. Like in Iraq, about 4500 American soldiers and about 1.5 million civilian Iraqi people. Tragic no matter how you look at it.
 
I was going to say something smart@ss like- "if either of the two president Bushes had finished the job then sending more troops now wouldn't be necessary"....but , I thought better of it. The sad fact is that if the US doesn't 'play' then some other party will come and fill the gap, in the game of World power.
 
I'm heart-sick for you GOM,

To have a son in the military, well, I just can't imagine:( I have studied a lot on religion, and imo, everything you said is absolute truth. They are infected with hate, the worst disease of all:(
 
I'm heart-sick for you GOM,

To have a son in the military, well, I just can't imagine:( I have studied a lot on religion, and imo, everything you said is absolute truth. They are infected with hate, the worst disease of all:(

I appreciate your comments of concern, but....

Our son's first deployment to Iraq was when the war was extremely "hot". I probably took having him in a combat zone worse than his Mother did. Every day I would pull up the casualty reports. Then one day, it hit me. During that deployment, he was with the 82nd Airborne... one of the world's finest fighting units. He is well trained. He enjoys his job and is good at it.

How many people who go to cubicles or offices every day hate their jobs. How many people almost make themselve ill, not wanting to get out of bed to go to work. And, while pushing themselves to go to a job they dislike, they can get hit by a truck or have some other catastrophe. If our son loves his work and gets up each day wanting to be a better soldier, more power to him!!! Once I put it in those terms, it seemed as if a load was lifted.

This "kid".... he's in his early 30's... loves to jump out of perfectly good airplanes and run marathons. He had a tough week, last week. They had night jumps Wednesday night. The jump conditions were quite windy. One of the young soldiers in his unit got his chute turned with the wind and was blown off range. The boy landed in trees and fractured a vertabre in his back. Our son accompanied him to the hospital and stayed with him all night. (The young soldier is okay, just will be apt to have back trouble the rest of his life.)
Then, Saturday morning, our son and three others from his unit left at 2 a.m. to drive to a "forced march" competition 4 hours from their base. In full battle gear and with a backpack that had to weigh a minimum of 35 pounds, they marched 18 miles. The goal was to complete the 18 mile march in under 4 1/2 hours. Our son came in 20 minutes under at 4:10. One of the other boys with him just slid in under the 4:30 wire. The other two finished the march, but did not make the time target. I asked our son what he got for completing the march under the allotted time. He said a small medal that he could wear on his dress blues... and a huge boost to his ego!!!

We're proud of all our children. This young man is one of the most decorated chefs in the military, having won well over a dozen gold and silver medals in culinary competitons sanctioned and judged by the American Culinary Society. He could walk "outside" and immediately find employment as a chef. Yet, he is mindful of the benefits the military offers he and his family and he wears his uniform proudly. So... his choice is to continue jumping out of those airplanes and working to keep those soldiers under his command as fit, well trained, and safe as possible.
 
I appreciate your comments of concern, but....

Our son's first deployment to Iraq was when the war was extremely "hot". I probably took having him in a combat zone worse than his Mother did. Every day I would pull up the casualty reports. Then one day, it hit me. During that deployment, he was with the 82nd Airborne... one of the world's finest fighting units. He is well trained. He enjoys his job and is good at it.

How many people who go to cubicles or offices every day hate their jobs. How many people almost make themselve ill, not wanting to get out of bed to go to work. And, while pushing themselves to go to a job they dislike, they can get hit by a truck or have some other catastrophe. If our son loves his work and gets up each day wanting to be a better soldier, more power to him!!! Once I put it in those terms, it seemed as if a load was lifted.

This "kid".... he's in his early 30's... loves to jump out of perfectly good airplanes and run marathons. He had a tough week, last week. They had night jumps Wednesday night. The jump conditions were quite windy. One of the young soldiers in his unit got his chute turned with the wind and was blown off range. The boy landed in trees and fractured a vertabre in his back. Our son accompanied him to the hospital and stayed with him all night. (The young soldier is okay, just will be apt to have back trouble the rest of his life.)
Then, Saturday morning, our son and three others from his unit left at 2 a.m. to drive to a "forced march" competition 4 hours from their base. In full battle gear and with a backpack that had to weigh a minimum of 35 pounds, they marched 18 miles. The goal was to complete the 18 mile march in under 4 1/2 hours. Our son came in 20 minutes under at 4:10. One of the other boys with him just slid in under the 4:30 wire. The other two finished the march, but did not make the time target. I asked our son what he got for completing the march under the allotted time. He said a small medal that he could wear on his dress blues... and a huge boost to his ego!!!

We're proud of all our children. This young man is one of the most decorated chefs in the military, having won well over a dozen gold and silver medals in culinary competitons sanctioned and judged by the American Culinary Society. He could walk "outside" and immediately find employment as a chef. Yet, he is mindful of the benefits the military offers he and his family and he wears his uniform proudly. So... his choice is to continue jumping out of those airplanes and working to keep those soldiers under his command as fit, well trained, and safe as possible.

This was a wonderful read, and really helped me to understand more about a soldiers life, as well as the people that support and love him/her. Thank you much, I'm so glad we have people like your son:) Denise
 


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