Ohio Kent State Protests May 4, 1970

If you actually read what I said I didn't blame the National Guardsmen. I blamed our country (government/politicians) for calling them out against our own people.

Of course, I've never thought "I felt threatened" was a good enough reason for an armed person to shoot an unarmed person and if they were so young and stupid they panicked over girls putting flowers in their rifles and a few thrown rocks, why in the world were they in the military?

According to their own site: "The National Guard is the primary combat reserve of the Army and Air Force, seamlessly providing enduring, rotational, surge and follow-on forces to the Joint Force to fight and win the nation's wars and defend the homeland."

We were not at war, and our country was not in danger, they had no business being there. Police maybe, military no.
Don’t forget, the students burned the ROTC building, which was probably considered government property. After the sit-in, the demonstrations and the burning, the Mayor had reached out to Governor Rhodes to send in the National Guard. No order was ever given to “Fire.” They were to stand down. The early story was that 1 or 2 of the Guardsmen became excited and decided to open fire. I had even heard that the Guardsmen’s weapons were to be loaded with rubber bullets. When we saw dead kids laying about, we knew they weren’t rubber bullets.

Not making excuses or even giving reasons, but things just got out of hand and communications broke down. It was a tragedy that should not have happened. When you look at the riots of 2020 and what the police had to tolerate and then look back to 1970, you wonder if we learned anything. If you don’t shoot, the police become the victims and are ordered to take the embarrassment while the punks threw anything and everything in their faces and got in their faces shouting profanities and being spit on.

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a man or a woman carrying a badge who has to stand there and take it? I would sooner lay down my weapon and go home. Let the dorks burn down the cities. The Mayors and the Governors didn’t care and they had very little regard for their law enforcement’s safety and credibility. In my opinion, they should have been able to do the job they were hired for. The protesters were very lucky that the Mayors didn’t tell the police to enforce the laws of the state and country. Otherwise, a lot more young bodies would have been laying about. All hell would have broke out and nothing except pure havoc would have prevailed.
 

I graduated from KSU. I lived with my aunt and uncle in Ohio so I could get the state resident rate. I wasn’t there in 1970, but I visited the memorials and heard a lot of stories about that day in May.
 
ever seen our nearest relatives the chimpanzees fighting each other in the forests and killing sometimes - how close are we to that?
 

Not making excuses or even giving reasons, but things just got out of hand and communications broke down. It was a tragedy that should not have happened.

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a man or a woman carrying a badge who has to stand there and take it? I would sooner lay down my weapon and go home.
At the demonstration when we sat in at the Pentagon, I remember seeing young soldiers up close. We were all young. Some of the soldiers were so nervous. I asked one (I was stupid to speak to him) "What is that?" referring to something on his rifle which I think I later found out was tear gas or something; he started to cry. These young men did not want to be there. I loved them, they were my brothers too.
 
At the demonstration when we sat in at the Pentagon, I remember seeing young soldiers up close. We were all young. Some of the soldiers were so nervous. I asked one (I was stupid to speak to him) "What is that?" referring to something on his rifle which I think I later found out was tear gas or something; he started to cry. These young men did not want to be there. I loved them, they were my brothers too.
All I can say is that if he didn’t want to be there to the point he felt a need to cry, he shouldn’t have. Maybe he could have requested a discharge as a CO. He was more of a liability than an asset to his Company. I never knew teargas could be fired from a rifle. Teargas that I saw comes in a canister and is fired by a special weapon that looks like a sawed off shotgun or a large pistol.

Our military is not hired or encouraged to kill other Americans. Only low life country’s do that. I wrote yesterday that we were told by the news media at the time the National Guardsmen were carrying rifles loaded with rubber bullets. Maybe they were supposed to be, but were actually given live rounds instead. This was a terrible mistake. I am sure, but not positive that the vast majority of the Ohio NG had no intention of killing anyone and they may have been surprised as anyone else when they learned that students were killed. I truly believe that this was a mistake beyond anything we had ever seen before.

One of the posters on this from told me that while he was going to Kent State, he read a lot about what went on that day. What he noticed most was the different stories from the different news organizations. The UP, API, Reuters and others weren’t all printing the same stories. I don’t know what stories were printed, but I do remember watching some of the interviews with the different school’s staff and the same for the Governor’s staff that their stories weren’t all matching up either. A lot of people were trying their best to cover their butt.

To get at the truth, we would have to start at the beginning and go step by step through the whole day using a timeline and placing the events at the time each happened. I’m sure that Simone did that. Actually, we would probably have to start at the time when the Mayor called the Governor’s office to request the Guard be placed on Active Duty at the school. Then, ftom there, we need to know what instructions were issued to the Guardsmen.
 
"Teargas that I saw comes in a canister and is fired by a special weapon that looks like a sawed off shotgun or a large pistol." @911

Yes, it could have been that. It's odd looking appearance caused me to ask what it was. I recall a canister. He wasn't bawling, but tears came to his eyes. I shouldn't have gotten so close to him. I was stupid doing that. He was only about 18, like me. None of the soldier boys looked glad to be there.
 
Sometimes, I would get orders that maybe I didn’t like or care for, but my dad warned me that you’re going to be ordered to do things that you may not want to do, but just do it without complaining. That way, everyone gets along and you’re the better man for doing it.

If I remember correctly, the kids at the Pentagon did a sit-in and marching protest. So, the Army’s only job would have been to make sure that no students breached the entrance. Weapons are used for show and control and probably intimidation. I doubt if anyone was ordered to shoot, unless they were fired upon.

I knew boys my age that went to college to get a deferment. I knew guys my age that admitted they were to afraid to go. A few applied for a CO deferment to stay out of the war, but they would be willing to do other details. I knew 2 dummies in school that tried convincing the Draft Board that they were Amish. That got them in some hot water.

It was a goofy time. That’s for sure.
 
Many of us have forgotten how violent the protestors had become. They were not putting flowers into gun barrels. This was not the peaceable assembly mentioned in the first amendment. Sadly there appears to be no shortage of villains in regards to Kent State.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

'Be ye prepared’: Warning, flames greeted National Guard ahead of Kent State shootings

Editor's note: This seven-part series relives the days leading up to the May 4, 1970, shootings at Kent State University, through the lives of some of those most affected. Today, the events of Saturday, May 2, 1970, and the life of Ohio Army National Guard commander J. Ronald Snyder.

The horizon was glowing red as a convoy of Ohio Army National Guard trucks and jeeps crowned a hill, headed for Kent State.

It was just after 10 p.m. that Saturday night, and Capt. J. Ronald Snyder knew he wasn't looking at the afterglow of a setting sun.

The thing turning the overcast sky into a crimson canvas could only be fire.

Kent Mayor LeRoy Satrom had good reason to be concerned. Students had torn up downtown the previous night, breaking windows, starting bonfires. The city's 22-man police force donned riot gear and spent three hours forcing the mob back to the campus.

Business owners woke Saturday morning, surveyed the damage and debated over whether to replace the glass or just board the openings in anticipation of more trouble.

Gawkers drove in from all over the region, clogging the streets. Fatigued officers were called in for traffic duty.

There was no way city police could handle another event like that. And as the day progressed, Mayor Satrom was increasingly certain another bad night was coming.
 
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Many years ago I drove over to Kent State when the Poet John Hollander was scheduled to recite. Then I also paid tribute at the site where the kids fell. May 4th, quite heartbreaking. :cry:
I was actually in Vietnam when the incident at Kent State happened, don't know all the details. One would think that tragedy would serve as a lesson to address an issue in a better way. Unfortunately I hazard a guess that most of those in the campus demonstrations today even know about the Kent State incident.
 
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If memory serves, that girl was a runaway from Cincinnati. Her parents saw her picture on the television.
 
Don’t forget, the students burned the ROTC building, which was probably considered government property. After the sit-in, the demonstrations and the burning, the Mayor had reached out to Governor Rhodes to send in the National Guard. No order was ever given to “Fire.” They were to stand down. The early story was that 1 or 2 of the Guardsmen became excited and decided to open fire. I had even heard that the Guardsmen’s weapons were to be loaded with rubber bullets. When we saw dead kids laying about, we knew they weren’t rubber bullets.

Not making excuses or even giving reasons, but things just got out of hand and communications broke down. It was a tragedy that should not have happened. When you look at the riots of 2020 and what the police had to tolerate and then look back to 1970, you wonder if we learned anything. If you don’t shoot, the police become the victims and are ordered to take the embarrassment while the punks threw anything and everything in their faces and got in their faces shouting profanities and being spit on.

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a man or a woman carrying a badge who has to stand there and take it? I would sooner lay down my weapon and go home. Let the dorks burn down the cities. The Mayors and the Governors didn’t care and they had very little regard for their law enforcement’s safety and credibility. In my opinion, they should have been able to do the job they were hired for. The protesters were very lucky that the Mayors didn’t tell the police to enforce the laws of the state and country. Otherwise, a lot more young bodies would have been laying about. All hell would have broke out and nothing except pure havoc would have prevailed.
It was reported that the 4 that died were not involved in the demonstrating or any destruction of property. When those killers started shooting, the students turned and fled, the bullets kept flying through the air, until they ended up in the bodies of 4 students who were in the background simply going to class. :mad:
 
Wikipedia says this about the picture:

Flower Power is the title of a photograph taken by American photographer Bernie Boston for the now-defunct newspaper The Washington Evening Star. Taken on October 21, 1967, during the March on the Pentagon by the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, the photo shows protester George Harris placing a carnation into the barrel of an M14 rifle held by a soldier of the 503rd Military Police Battalion (Airborne).

I didn't mean to say it was at Kent state, I thought Brookswood was talking about protestors in general.
 


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