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Hi, my pen name is metasegue...I'll get around to explaining that later. I was born a few months before Normandy and a year before the first A bomb test called Trinity. That makes me pre nuke and pre boomer...though I don't look it. I've never found an adequate description for my generation. I like gardening, reading, writing, and Astrology...I'm a Piscean in name and deed. I'm married 34 years, twin sons, and three grandsons. I live in Wisconsin and Winter works on my head. I'm hoping this place will help alleviate that strain.

I'm unfamiliar with the mechanics of the site...wouldn't even want to try pictures yet. I'll spend a few hours reading different threads and posts. Some basic advice regarding this particular site would be appreciated. I'll await responses.

Thanks
 

It helps to understand this site if you are a fan of the King or at least Jerry Lee...
 

Thanks guys. I am an Elvis fan..."Kentucky Rain" is classic. I enjoy nostalgia but my feet are squarely planted in the present. I'll be looking for some egg heads to discuss the present reality...if it actually exists.

The FDA has given 52M. to farmers markets and for organic farming research. This interests me...I live in my garden all Summer. My Concord grape vine has some kind of bumpy disease...creepy. Any suggestions?
 
Well, you may find the merits of the King discussed here, but anything deeper cannot be guaranteed...
 
Hi Metaseque, welcome to the forum! :wave: You'll find lots of info about the board in the Forum Support section.
 
SeaBreeze, thanks for the tip...I'll head there directly. I like your quote: "pets we allow into our solitude" .....they can be more comforting than any person sometimes.

Falcon and oakapple, thanks for redefining the parameters.

Ralphy, the King's contribution to our culture is reflected in our preference for larger than life rebels. In that respect, he was a pivotal American icon whom I imitated when young. He may have left the building, but the PA system is still playing his tunes.:cool:
 
Welcome Metasegue, you'll like it here. We're not all silly, just me. There are some really interesting and controversial issues discussed daily. Catch up on some of the topics, then jump right in. You'll be a very welcomed addition. I am Ina, and I live outside of Houston, Texas. :hatoff:
 
Hi Ina. I checked your profile...we should get along. I'll be stumbling about till I can navigate better. Thanks for the encouragement.
 
Hi metasegue. Welcome to the forum. I see that you are from Wisconsin. I am a retired airline pilot and I had my first job with Air Wisconsin. Nice company that gave me my first break and helped me to get to the big airline.
 
Thanks Old Man and Meanderer. You're both veterans here. I can see how that might be a dubious honour in the context of a seniors forum.

I've only been on one plane, other than a commercial flight after my military discharge. My wife bought me an intro flying lesson at a local small airport. I must have impressed the guy because he never touched his part of the dual controls during the entire experience. I never followed up. It was something of a psychological exorcism...my father died in his own plane when I was 6.

Ferns grow all around my home which sets in the shade of a mixed coniferous and deciduous forest. They're the ultimate shade plant...the biggest and most intricate grow in the shadows.
 
Ferns grow all around my home which sets in the shade of a mixed coniferous and deciduous forest. They're the ultimate shade plant...the biggest and most intricate grow in the shadows.
It is a Metasequoia glyptostroboides, the dawn redwood, ...and all honors are dubious.:)
 
................ I enjoy nostalgia but my feet are squarely planted in the present. I'll be looking for some egg heads to discuss the present reality...if it actually exists. .........



This part of your comment is intriguing metasegue. I'm definitely not an egghead but that topic is something that I've spent some time reading about so I'm looking forward to hearing what your opinion is. Cheers eh!
 
A "Metasequoia glyptostroboides".....wow, that fern sounds like my moniker!! A "Metasegueia Glyptowhatever" would be a nocturnal bloomer and absorb small amounts of naturally occurring alcohol. :)
 
Hello Debby,

Well, I've evolved my thinking on the subject to the point of researching basic quantum mechanics which is telling me we live within: multiple dimensions, variable points in time, and on several conscious levels. I have some pretty wild theories with some relation to facts...which are themselves mutating as we speak. When you think about it, the present must be an infinitely tiny segment of a moment. The future comes upon us and, as you perceive it....the instant recedes immediately into the past. :topsy_turvy: So, I'm keeping my feet planted in something so small it can't be defined. :D
 
Hello Debby,

Well, I've evolved my thinking on the subject to the point of researching basic quantum mechanics which is telling me we live within: multiple dimensions, variable points in time, and on several conscious levels. I have some pretty wild theories with some relation to facts...which are themselves mutating as we speak. When you think about it, the present must be an infinitely tiny segment of a moment. The future comes upon us and, as you perceive it....the instant recedes immediately into the past. :topsy_turvy: So, I'm keeping my feet planted in something so small it can't be defined. :D


I think you and I might have an interest in common there metaseque! So how did you come to be interested in this 'journey of understanding'? I'll tell you where mine started.

We moved to a rural town and got to know a guy that we had do some work for us on our old farm house. We went on to become good friends with him and his wife and one day, he casually mentioned that he had had a single out of body experience but had never been able to duplicate it. As we had come to know him very well by this point and found him to be sensible and not some kind of whack-job, I was very intrigued by what he said. He is still a close personal friend by the way (and he's still not a whack-job).

I began reading and looking for info on this OBE stuff and came across Robert Monroe's books. And then I read something else, which brought up something else, and so on. At this point, I'm reading through the 'My Big TOE' trilogy by Thomas Campbell who was/is a NASA physicist and who actually set up the labs at Robert Monroe's 'Monroe Institute' which I think is located in Virginia. Have you heard of any of this?

Anyway, before I got to the trilogy, I spent a lot of time trying to understand quantum mechanics, particularly the split screen experiment and the measurement problem. Hard haul because I don't have a 'sciencey' mind but I do have curiosity working for me! Then coming across Tom Campbell's work just kind of finalized for me a rough draft of what we are all about.

Of course, there are a number of other topics that I've been reading up on and the way I see it, they are like the various spokes in the wheel which all lead to the answer of what this is all about. I like to think of it like this: understanding reality is like a huge jigsaw puzzle. And each of my topics of interest are like a little individual piece of that puzzle that when combined make up the whole picture. But when you pick up that one piece in isolation, it seems unrelated. However, lay it into the proper place or even close, and you begin to see connections. Those topics include OBE's, NDE's and even a couple of books on 'life between lives'. What gives me confidence is that all of these admittedly anecdotal experiences (and some with supporting evidence) are seemingly supported themselves by the repeatable split screen and measurement experiments.

By the way, "My Big TOE" means My Big Theory Of Everything and Tom's 'theory' of how the universe, the world and everything in it came to be. Quite provocative thinking.
 
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For not being an egg head, your interests are unusually abstract. People who live within their minds can become deluded as the example of John Forbes Nash (at end of piece) indicates. The fine line between genius and madness is well documented. I guess the trick is to remain sufficiently grounded in an objective (agreed on) reality. Nash used the same process you described ("I like to think of it like this: understanding reality is like a huge jigsaw puzzle. And each of my topics of interest are like a little individual piece of that puzzle that when combined make up the whole picture. But when you pick up that one piece in isolation, it seems unrelated. However, lay it into the proper place or even close, and you begin to see connections.") for your puzzles to solve quantum equation conflicts. He fell off the deep end. You and I aren't in that rarefied atmosphere of genius but we do use the same process of subconscious searching (I call it). You allow your subconscious to influence your conscious abstract judgement by forming a quiet question, letting all the alternatives maintain equal representation in your mind, and then waiting for a sublime response...which pops out at you as a barely discernible variation in background information. Neither one of us is taxed as heavily as he was because we deal with normal variables. One of the more radical possibilities posed by quantum research suggests that all of physical reality exists, in reality, only as long as there is a conscious being to experience it. Rather mind bending. May I ask your sign?

So...I checked out Tom Campbell and the Monroe Institute. I do vaguely recall encountering things about them. their M.O. sounds like what I've been up to. This is from a book review: “...to clearly and completely construct your consciousness, your world, your science, and your existence in a general, logical, scientific way that comprehensively explains all the personal and professional data you have collected during a lifetime” (author’s emphasis). Less formally, My Big TOE is a “Reality 101” course."

You and I follow the same path. I find, at this point in life...to do otherwise would be foolish. I do remain physically active by instinct and metabolic inclination so the body does not wither while the mind expands. It's therapeutic...Ghandi used it to remain calm while he brought down the British Empire.

I'm pleased to find you here Debby.




John Forbes Nash, Jr. (born June 13, 1928) is an American mathematician whose works in game theory, differential geometry, and partial differential equations have provided insight into the factors that govern chance and events inside complex systems in daily life. His theories are used in market economics, computing, evolutionary biology, artificial intelligence, accounting, politics and military theory. Serving as a Senior Research Mathematician at Princeton University during the latter part of his life, he shared the 1994 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences with game theorists Reinhard Selten and John Harsanyi.
Nash is the subject of the 2001 Hollywood movie A Beautiful Mind. The film, loosely based on the biography of the same name, focuses on Nash's mathematical genius and also his schizophrenia.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3]



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Very interesting comments so far metasegue. You force me to focus my thoughts, force me to consider what I believe and why, which is always a little harder than just having individual fragments of ideas floating around the old noggin.

But let me start by asking you a question metasegue, what does come after the transition(very interesting moniker by the way considering our discussion)? Because there is a ‘now'…after we are done here but I am curious as to your ideas on the purpose of this life, this reality, before we make the change.


While my parents weren’t religious, my extended family are all Mennonites and I would say that their influence jump started my curiosity concerning who we are and why we’re here. For a period of 12+ years (while my children were young), we lived in the Christian culture……until one day we realized that it no longer fit. But the lack of a comfortable fit didn’t change the direction of my intellectual journey. Still emotionally engaged in the search for meaning of life, it was only a few years later that we met the friend I mentioned earlier, the friend who I’ve now realized is one of my ‘signposts’ as in he helped guide me into the next direction of thinking as it pertained to this journey.

The first book he ever offered me was by an author called Neale Donald Walsch. This guy has written a number of books, all dealing with the same idea, that being that we are individuated components of the source of all that is and that our purpose is to experience. That’s all, we’re just here to experience.

What possibly doesn’t come through in that statement is that it we are all an expression of that single source, as in ‘we are one'. To explain by another metaphor, we are like the little ‘blobs’ in the lava lamps of our younger years. The big blob floats around, up there at the top of the lamp and every so often, a little bit of it, breaks off and sinks down to join other little bits that have accumulated down there only to finally float back up and rejoin its ‘source’.

When we (the little bits) float back up to rejoin the Big Blob, we take our experiences with us. Then after a time (which doesn’t really exist outside of this reality) we get to come back with the single goal of gaining more experience(s).

Have you ever heard or read something..........and it just makes total sense even though the idea is different and new? As I read through each of Mr. Walsch's books, and began to understand the message he was laying out there, I admit to not being surprised or affronted by any of it. It just made sense at some level. It was shortly after this, that my friend mentioned his one time experience which was the commencement point of the next leg of my journey.


But as this comment is getting a tad long, I’m going to leave it here for the moment and give you the floor. And by the way, you did ask what sign I am and while I don’t follow astrology at all(only so much room for inquiry you know), I think I am an Aries, born April 16th.
So this is fun and I’m looking forward to hearing your ideas.



(Note: You mention John Nash and his struggles with schizophrenia and in the context of your 'theory' that we live in multiple
dimensions, I offer the possibility that schizophrenics perhaps are gifted/cursed with the ability to see those multiple dimensions and as a result of living in a fixed, physical reality where that isn't the norm, usually find themselves at odds with society. Is it possible that if their viewpoint was the norm, that we all saw like they do, that it would cease to be a curse and instead our children would learn from birth how to straddle the fence so to speak and know and function in multiple dimensions?)
 
You're actually asking two questions:
"let me start by asking you a question metasegue, what does come after the transition(very interesting moniker by the way considering our discussion)? Because there is a ‘now'…after we are done here but I am curious as to your ideas on the purpose of this life, this reality, before we make the change."

Insofar as matter and energy cannot be destroyed (I'm certain that consciousness is a particular type of energy)....we must continue. Everything in nature is cyclic...why would our personalities be any different? As to our reason for being....we're here to create our successors. Not breed them into existence...build them. Genetic engineering and A.I. are the future of humanity and our consciousness. We're here to learn and create sentient creatures that can live in alien environments. Mars...for instance.

Your lava lamp metaphor reminded me of this: our bodies and brains maintain a magnetic field which surrounds us much like the one that surrounds and protects the Earth. What If our conscious being is contained in a separate (but related) segment of that field while we exist on this particular plane. What if, when we die, we re-join the Earths field and exchange all we've learned for new questions to encounter when we are reborn. I consider Nature to be God. It's the only word in the English lexicon which equates....everything. I think Nature is using us to perfect it's plan of becoming physically coherent...in our person...or our successors.

"schizophrenics perhaps are gifted/cursed"

I've long held that Bipolar Disorder, under ancient and more instinctive conditions...would be an advantage. That ability to jump mentally from 0 to 60 in a split second (and grapple with new threats) has probably saved many a homo sapient from sabre-toothed tigers. If it were a negative trait...why did it not die out over eons of natural selection?

I think you're the first person I've met who understood (without prompting) the definition of my avatar (moniker). I can see the Aries in you. You're the first
fire sign. I'm the last water sign. We will generate some intellectual steam together. Many people feel threatened by Astrology....they shouldn't. It challenges no religion or philosophy. It's merely a tool for self understanding. Time to watch Sunday Night Football.

 
I am going to get a little long winded here so I hope you are comfortable. In fact, grab your coffee, pull up a chair and.....

You’re right, two questions.

Well, let’s see, I agree that energy can’t be destroyed, nor matter-for that matter. Matter changes but isn’t destroyed. But I think that we are ‘personalities’ on two levels. One is what you see at this conscious level, in this physical reality, but the other is the personality which exists on a super-concious level which is actually at the point of connection between the Creative Consciousness that is the source of the energy that makes up everything in the universe. I think that it’s at this point that we make the decision to go through these lives and place ourselves in what I’ve read one author refer to as a ‘learning lab’.


It’s in this learning lab that we go through the process of evolution of ‘spirit’ which is what this is all about sort of. What we, like nature, are seeking to do is to move or evolve to a place of less chaos. I think in scientific jargon, that’s referred to as lowering our entropy. When the world first started it was a high entropy environment, volcanoes, earth upheavals, floods, etc., but over time the volcanoes subsided, the waters parted, the land came forth and entropy(chaos) diminished. That is what Consciousness seeks to do. Lower it’s entropy and to that end it uses us. We are like sensors or monitors, the hand - inside the glove (the physical body). The hand which is that consciousness/energy residing inside what I delicately refer to as ‘the meat suit’.


As we evolve in our humanity, so too that Consciousness that has created this universe for the purpose of its own evolution, ‘re-absorbs’ our experiences and subsequently is changed by the ongoing accumulation of understandings and experiences. The ‘questions’ you referred to (in my opinion) aren’t an assignment so much as they are just the endless assortment of options that we each face day to day. Those options provide the impetus for our own intellectual/spiritual evolution as we exercise the free will that is necessary for the process to happen. And when we die, we return ‘home’ and then in todays technical language, our knowledge, understanding, etc., is downloaded to the Source. And then, we get to do it all again. (I just had a thought: in every NDE that I've read about, the individual refers to a 'life review' that is watched without fear or embarrassment and wherein they not only are aware of their own feelings of that moment, but also the feelings of those whom they have affected. This usually takes place quite early on after we've made the transition between 'life' and 'death'. I wonder if it is at that moment that all of our understanding and experiences are 'downloaded' to the Source?



And I hasten to add, it’s not just the experiences of you and me that are downloaded. It’s the experience of every sentient being and even non-sentient things who share in the process. So when your dog dies, it returns and the small bit of life experience it has enjoyed becomes part and parcel of the whole. Every cow, every clam, every cat, every crow……we all share in this amazing job. And yes, even as I say that I recognize that rocks and sticks don't have many options, they just are, but that Consciousness also created those things and as such, profits by their existence as they may be involved directly or indirectly in the choices we make.




I knew a woman whose daughter was bi-polar and the result there wasn’t an advantage in times of threat. More a case of sinking into despair for weeks on end to be replaced by weeks of ridiculously high highs that caused it’s own set of problems.


I’m sure enjoying this discussion metasegue because you have provided an ‘option’ for me, i.e. to formalize in my own mind how I think it all works or to avoid the discussion and merely exchange pleasantries. I'm opting for boosting my evolution so I'm happy to choose the 'formalizing'.

Hope your game turned out like you thought it might. Have a nice day.
 

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