On day 10 of the Iranian revolution, the Ayatollah has fled

I'm delighted to see the Iranian people rise up and try to get rid of the theocracy, and to then get the type of government that they want.

But the U.S. has no business getting involved in that struggle-- certainly not militarily. We can't be the policemen of the world. Just because something horrible is happening doesn't give us any right to intervene.
 

I'm delighted to see the Iranian people rise up and try to get rid of the theocracy, and to then get the type of government that they want.

But the U.S. has no business getting involved in that struggle-- certainly not militarily. We can't be the policemen of the world. Just because something horrible is happening doesn't give us any right to intervene.
Many Iranian people have publicly requested US military intervention. That in no way gives the US a right to intervene, but our military is actively looking for a legal, rightful excuse, and has promised to act as soon as it is able.

I've seen higher than usual aircraft activity around that area all day (on a flight-radar app)...both US and British aircraft. British aircraft appear to be leaving, as expected; mostly heading north-northeast.
 
Even from the LGBTQ community comes nothing, although the Iranian mullah regime is hanging gay men on cranes as punishment.
I'd say the LGBTQ community has enough to focus on in our own country. We aren't being killed (for the most part) but we could slowly be losing our rights. Thanks for thinking of us, though. ;)

The ACLU is tracking 616 Anti-LGBTQ bills in the U.S.

https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights-2025
 

I'm happy to see US colleges and universities rise up in support of the pro-democracy protestors in Iran.

Oh, wait, sorry, that's not happening at all.
I suppose you didn't see the thousands of protests that took place last weekend. I'm sure many included college students. But they were over oppression in the US, not Iran. Oh wait, we have our own issues.
 
A little over 3 hours ago...

Several US military aircraft over the Iran-Iraq border heading toward Tehran, including what appears to be at least one troop carrier.
Two Chinese aircraft over a sparsely populated area about 50mi outside Tehran, possibly military.
One Israeli military aircraft just outside the southern border of Iran and several heading toward Jerusalem, possibly anticipating missile strikes on Israel.
And Islamic Iran's military forces are airborn but it's unknown where they're going (as of over 3 hrs ago).

Also, Israeli's were transporting their Tamir missiles from Iran Dome to various parts of the country.
 
I'd say the LGBTQ community has enough to focus on in our own country. We aren't being killed (for the most part) but we could slowly be losing our rights. Thanks for thinking of us, though. ;)

The ACLU is tracking 616 Anti-LGBTQ bills in the U.S.

https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights-2025
What exact rights do you think the lgbt are losing? All humans have the same rights, no more no less. The problem became a problem and people became divided when the lgbt expected more! More what? More laws? For what? If you discriminate, its discrimination. Assault has always been assault. Harassment has always been harassment. And so on, with every law.

Because according to the law that I have always known, every single human being in America/Canada has equal rights. There are no special caveats for any segment of society. Is there a law book that we dont know about?
 
While I am all for people of suppressed or tyrannical countries gaining freedom...the US and most western countries have far worse problems at home to deal with.
We have in US/Can, extreme poverty, homelessness off the charts, massive crime, political issues, unhappy voting base, corruption, fraud, and so much more. Not to mention massive division that could result in civil war.

I think as my grandfather used to say...get your own house in order first, before you go talking about others. Or one I've heard recently...people in glass houses should not throw stones!
 
Hopefully, his greed will be his undoing, but so many of his party are already in Russia.
I think he is still in his bunker, not sure if they smuggled him out during the night.
Yes, the US presumes the money is being sent to Russia, which isn't a smart move, imo, since Putin wouldn't be above using it to support action in Ukraine.

Most Iranians believe the Ayatollah is hunkered in his bunker. I agree. But moving funds indicates he knows his regime is cooked.
 
While I am all for people of suppressed or tyrannical countries gaining freedom...the US and most western countries have far worse problems at home to deal with.
We have in US/Can, extreme poverty, homelessness off the charts, massive crime, political issues, unhappy voting base, corruption, fraud, and so much more. Not to mention massive division that could result in civil war.

I think as my grandfather used to say...get your own house in order first, before you go talking about others. Or one I've heard recently...people in glass houses should not throw stones!
A positive outcome of a free, friendly Iran is mutually beneficial business with a potential to improve the US economy, which can improve American lives, which can lessen the divide, calm everyone down, and offer more productive things to do than throw stones.
 
A positive outcome of a free, friendly Iran is mutually beneficial business with a potential to improve the US economy, which can improve American lives, which can lessen the divide, calm everyone down, and offer more productive things to do than throw stones.
What exactly would a free Iran bring to the US economy?
Please explain how that would that improve American lives?
The only reason people are not calm is because of Israels actions in the region. I don't care who you are, Israel has created instability in that entire region.

And what instability do you think annexing Greenland would have? Threatening Canada constantly! Chaos between Europe/Canada and US would be at an all time high. You think trade, economy, would flourish between the EU/Can and US?! You think what that would do to the US people, economy and lifestyle.
 
What exactly would a free Iran bring to the US economy?
Please explain how that would that improve American lives?
Good business between countries is mutually economically beneficial. One country invests in another, this one has crude oil, the other refineries, one has jobs, the other workers...do you know what Iran was before 1979?

Dude. You throwing stones? I'm not making random predictions, I'm just talking about events in Iran. We'll see what happens elsewhere when or if it happens.
 
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We can't be the policemen of the world. Just because something horrible is happening doesn't give us any right to intervene.
Disclaimer is that I'm nervous about doing something militarily, too. I also agree that we shouldn't need to police the world. However, that said, I'm thinking back to WWII era. And a quote from Martin Niemöller about the danger of staying silent when something doesn't directly affect you:
"First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left who could protest,"
 
I'd say the LGBTQ community has enough to focus on in our own country. We aren't being killed (for the most part) but we could slowly be losing our rights. Thanks for thinking of us, though. ;)

The ACLU is tracking 616 Anti-LGBTQ bills in the U.S.

https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights-2025
But the times of Harvey Milk are gone for long. I know two couples (one gay, one lesbian) and and they did tell me that they don't like this violence against and the killing of gay people in Islamic countries (even in Turkey which seems to be much more liberal than the Iran, a gay activist was killed by his own family maybe two decades ago, I can't remember the exact date), but don't protest since they fear being labeled as islamophobic, right or even far right.

It's the same with feminists who don't criticize the forced wearing of hijabs in Iran, with the churches who don't criticize persecution of Christians in such countries or with Brigitte Bardot who was labeled as islamophobic or antisemitic because she criticized the kosher and halal butchering of animals.

In Germany there is even a well known gay activist who is conservative and has criticized the persecution of gay men, burning churches and murdering of Christians in Islamic countries.
 
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I'm delighted to see the Iranian people rise up and try to get rid of the theocracy, and to then get the type of government that they want.

But the U.S. has no business getting involved in that struggle-- certainly not militarily. We can't be the policemen of the world. Just because something horrible is happening doesn't give us any right to intervene.
In general you could be right, but in this special case there are advantages if they intervene. Israel would lose it's most dangerous enemy, Russia it's ally and most of all the bloodshed of Iranian people who want freedom would come to an end.

This is valid even more, if the CIA and MI6 are involved in the revolution.
 
The US can’t or shouldn’t be The World Police.

If not the US, then who? Of the most powerful nations on Earth, which one has a sustainable economy and a political system and set of laws that are just and humane?

Wait, I’ll list the candidates. Based on military strength, economic power, and political influence, the most powerful nations on Earth are the USA, China, Russia, Germany, and the UK.

Because one of the aspects of being the "world police” is the ability to take in and safely harbor and provide for millions of people at once if necessary, we have to omit Germany from the list. Germany's got everything except adequate acreage.

As for the UK, while massive Canada and Australia are part of the UK Commonwealth, they have their own governments and are sovereign states, and can’t be forced by the king of England to urgently accept millions of immigrants at once who are fleeing genocide, war, starvation, or atrocities, and, though it’s comprised of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, Britain is many times smaller than the USA.

For that reason, the UK and its Commonwealth nations are more suitable as safe havens for immigrant over-flow and a source of economic and military support…at each country's discretion, of course.

That leaves the USA, China, and Russia as best equipped and least geographically and geopolitically complex candidates for the role of “World Police,” but which of the three would you consider the most just and humane?

For people escaping the horrors of extreme oppression, endless fear, the harshest forms of discrimination, inescapable poverty and hunger, mass displacement, or outright genocide, the USA is the obvious choice.


So, the question we should ask ourselves is "Why does the world need policing?"
 
It is reported that the killings of protesters has been stopped, which is good. But most likely they will resume once the protests end under the current regime.
The "protests" will not end until the current regime is gone and replaced.

The Iranian people are doing all they can to remove the current regime. I know the wider media minimizes this event, calling it a protest, but it isn't a protest, it's a revolution. The difference is important.
 
What exact rights do you think the lgbt are losing? All humans have the same rights, no more no less. The problem became a problem and people became divided when the lgbt expected more! More what? More laws? For what? If you discriminate, its discrimination. Assault has always been assault. Harassment has always been harassment. And so on, with every law.

Because according to the law that I have always known, every single human being in America/Canada has equal rights. There are no special caveats for any segment of society. Is there a law book that we dont know about?
Since you don't live in the US, you really don't know what's happening here.
All humans have the same rights, no more, no less???? Seriously? Gimme a break.
We have in US/Can, extreme poverty, homelessness off the charts, massive crime, political issues, unhappy voting base, corruption, fraud, and so much more. Not to mention massive division that could result in civil war.
"We"???? Who's we? Did you move here recently?
Why not focus on your own backyard for a change?
 


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