On day 10 of the Iranian revolution, the Ayatollah has fled

[Murrmurr]

I suppose you didn't see the thousands of protests that took place last weekend. I'm sure many included college students. But they were over oppression in the US, not Iran. Oh wait, we have our own issues.

US citizens have several luxuries that Iranian citizens don't have. The irrevocable right to peaceful protest and assembly is one...well, two, technically.

Representation in government is another, and that's achieved through an electoral system. Iranians don't have either of those.

They also don't have a Bill of Rights, and their constitution is purely theological, as is their justice system. Iranians have little recourse if they are killed en mass or individually by law enforcement or their own military for speaking out against their supreme leader, for example, or for causing any type of damage to his posters, monuments, and buildings, whether intentional or not. They certainly can't sue them....or anyone, for that matter.

The US does have problems, but its people have various means of solving them, or, at least, to call attention to them so that someone with the ability or authority can solve them, and/or vote for people who are determined to solve them.

Americans have paths to justice and fairness that simply do not exist in Iran.

Not at the moment, anyway.

 

[seadoug]

What exact rights do you think the lgbt are losing? All humans have the same rights, no more no less. The problem became a problem and people became divided when the lgbt expected more! More what? More laws? For what? If you discriminate, its discrimination. Assault has always been assault. Harassment has always been harassment. And so on, with every law.

Because according to the law that I have always known, every single human being in America/Canada has equal rights. There are no special caveats for any segment of society. Is there a law book that we dont know about?

Most are transgender rights but laws are being proposed targeting the LGBT community in general. I'll just point out one in general that has nothing to do with assault or harassment.

Non-discrimination Protections: Efforts are underway to weaken existing civil rights laws, which could allow employers, businesses, and even hospitals to refuse equal treatment or turn away LGBTQ+ individuals. At the federal level, executive actions have rescinded orders that called for LGBTQ+ people's health equity and non-discrimination protections. Proposed policies also aim to define gender narrowly, potentially stripping LGBTQ+ people of protections against discrimination in housing, federal government employment, and other programs.

Don't get me wrong. I, personally, am happy with the rights I have and the freedom to be married and have my husband make health decisions should I become ill, but if I were looking for a job and couldn't get employed or was turned away at a hospital because I was gay those are rights I would lose that everyone else has.

 

[StarSong]

US citizens have several luxuries that Iranian citizens don't have. The irrevocable right to peaceful protest and assembly is one...well, two, technically.

We're becoming less free to do that without sometimes deadly law enforcement interference, I'm sorry to say.

 

[Murrmurr]

We're becoming less free to do that without sometimes deadly law enforcement interference, I'm sorry to say.

But when that happens, there's an investigation, which can lead to a criminal court trial, and people can get justice.

 

[Tom52]

We're becoming less free to do that without sometimes deadly law enforcement interference, I'm sorry to say.

That is not peaceful protesting and you know it.

 

[Irishdude]

"Peaceful protest" is a tough one. No one (I hope) wants to take away the right to assemble, to carry signs, to chant slogans. Monitoring and/or filming law enforcement are also protected rights.

Blowing whistles, banging drums at arrest sites, trying to block law enforcement vehicles -- there you start interfering with law enforcement operations. You may be breaking laws. And you are certainly acting stupidly, ticking off people who are in tense situations to begin with and who are carrying deadly weapons.

 

[Been There]

Will the protests in Iran be enough to get rid of the Ayatollah and allow freedom to come into the people’s lives?

 

[CallMeKate]

Will the protests in Iran be enough to get rid of the Ayatollah and allow freedom to come into the people’s lives?

I'm going to put on the "Cynical Kate" hat today and answer this with "maybe only for a while."

 

[WhatInThe]

For now Iran has a nation of hostages or protestors. Until it's confirmed the old regime is gone, quit etc have to be very careful how one reacts over the next few days.

 

[StarSong]

That is not peaceful protesting and you know it.

I disagree.

 

[Murrmurr]

Will the protests in Iran be enough to get rid of the Ayatollah and allow freedom to come into the people’s lives?

What's going on there is way beyond protest. imo The toughest barrier for Iranians is that the Ayatollah and his brethren have tons of money and influence, and lots of weapons.

I'm going to put on the "Cynical Kate" hat today and answer this with "maybe only for a while."

Historically, no one's been able to completely eradicate the Islamic regime's hold on Iran.

People reporting on the situation are saying that's because, in previous uprisings, the Iranian people gave up when the killings started. They aren't going home this time, and it's what...day 21, 22? They've held out, but you're thinking is right; what comes after the fall will determine Iran's future.

 

[Aunt Bea]

Will the protests in Iran be enough to get rid of the Ayatollah and allow freedom to come into the people’s lives?

Sadly, it’s not just the Ayatollah.

Iran is a collection of government sanctioned militias and terrorist organizations.

I’m afraid that it will be a bit like playing whack a mole before a new more stable regime finally comes to power.