On day 10 of the Iranian revolution, the Ayatollah has fled

You sort of left out the part where Iran has suffered a lot of material and personal losses also.

War is hell. If this war is to be ended and not just delayed into the future, both sides need to face reality. Are they seriously doing that? I am not sure.
The losses although severe are just temporary setbacks and the new leadership is bound to be more ruthless than the old. Iranians aren't going to forget how to enrich uranium, make drones, and kill protestors just because they're under new management.
 
At best, an "agreement" will be made that is no better than the one that was torn up. This will be used as propaganda to suggest it was all worthwhile, and victory has been achieved. That is despite nothing having been changed. That is, at best.

At worse, as suggested in this thread, nuclear weapons will deployed. Millions will die. But not simply millions in Iran - the winds don't honor borders. In fact, people will suffer for decades, long after the reasons for this war have been forgotten. It will normalize the use of nuclear weapons - I mean, if they can be used in Iran, why not Ukraine? And so, we spiral to mutual destruction. US allies will shun the nation. More nations will seek the capability.

How can that be right, or just? If hating another country was reason enough for nuclear Armageddon, then we'd not be writing back and forth. We'd be living in caves.
If Iran does get nuclear weapons, they won't use them any more than Pakistan or India or North Korea any other nuclear power uses them. It will simply be a deterrent to prevent the U.S. or any other country from invading. Hell, they might even decide to be more responsible in world affairs.
 
The losses although severe are just temporary setbacks and the new leadership is bound to be more ruthless than the old. Iranians aren't going to forget how to enrich uranium, make drones, and kill protestors just because they're under new management.
Not only that, they will now have an even more deep-seated hatred for the US and Israel and, since they haven't won an all-out war, they will be more inclined to resort to domestic terrorism.
 
If Iran does get nuclear weapons, they won't use them any more than Pakistan or India or North Korea any other nuclear power uses them. It will simply be a deterrent to prevent the U.S. or any other country from invading. Hell, they might even decide to be more responsible in world affairs.

The one I'm most worried about using nuclear weapons is Israel.
 
If Iran does get nuclear weapons, they won't use them any more than Pakistan or India or North Korea any other nuclear power uses them. It will simply be a deterrent to prevent the U.S. or any other country from invading. Hell, they might even decide to be more responsible in world affairs.

There are international agreements that help govern thing, and as you state, they have thus far held the fabric together. Other than Israel, of course. They won't sign up. If a nuclear weapon is used against Iran, I don't think people understand what it might lead to. A global catastrophe. A stain upon humanity.

Here's something to remember - some farms in the UK are STILL under special measures due to the Chernobyl disaster in Ukraine. It's not like that radioactivity stays where the bomb goes off. It follows the winds. Do we not care about Turkey, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia? Do we not care they will likely be severely affected by such an action?

It seems like we are losing ground around the world. 😢

Because of the nature of the board, I feel I have to predicate this next comment with a statement that I love the US and the US people. I truly do.

But I think many Americans are missing just how much good will and leadership the US is giving up on the international stage. It's already a disaster. And while us old gits might not care since our race is run, this is something that will affect generations to come. What's happening is destroying the reputation abroad. And for what?

Tax payers in the US have thus far (as of time of writing) spent $25bn on this war with Iran. Oil prices are up, and so is what you pay at the pump. Food costs have gone up, and without resolution within 12 weeks, world shortages will happen. That those shortages will affect (starve) the poor in Africa and Asia first doesn't matter, it'll eventually get to us all. Those extra costs are in principle another tax burden Americans are paying every day at the cost of the food they can put on their table.

Is it really worth it? Having been told Iran is close to having nuclear weapons for more than TWO DECADES already. Is it really okay that Iran decided to continue enrichment only after the previous deal made with them was scrapped for no good reason?

It's odd. Let's say Communist Canada invented a fizzy bomb; a hugely destructive bomb that created bubbles and fizz all over the place. Let's say the US doesn't have this weapon, or anything like it. They have no defense to it, what should they do? Well, one thing is to get their own fizzy bombs, right? Would you be against that? You've got to defend yourself, right? Isn't that reasonable? Wouldn't it be expected?

So here we are. An imperfect, but effective agreement was in place, it was suddenly torn up, so Iran started things up again. That is despite their leaders laying their faith on the line to stop it ever coming to fruition, by the way.

It's been horribly mishandled.
 
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