One giant hoax

It's not coal. It's oil. Billions of cars and trucks all over the world are essential. That's something that's not going to go away any time soon. All the climate change supporters drive them as well. That's hypocrisy. If you are a firm believer in climate change and believe humans are the prime cause. You should not be driving a car. Electric cars are not the solution either because energy is required to make batteries and cars.

Walk, ride a bike, public transport. How many will give up their cars?


Sorry your suggestion that governments should do something? They can't.
 

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Camper6 said:
The figures they throw at us? We don't know where they come from do we?

When they tell us that a record temperature was set by .01 degrees that's just hype and nonsense.

Of course we are contributing. If we don't burn fossil fuels for energy the entire economy would collapse.
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Regarding those figures they throw at us... how many of you are familiar with the term "climategate"?
 
If people had to experirience an entire winter of about 6 months with temperatures like today of -18 F. They might realize why it's so difficult to convince people about climate change.

The science is in conflict with the experience.

With the wind chill factored in its -35 F.
 

I would imagine it wouldn't really matter where or how the temperatures were taken if they are always taken from the same places and then calculated somehow as a global average. If that historical average shows a consistent increase (or even decrease), no matter how small - that is climate change. We can argue on the 'causes' til the cows come home but surely the figures speak for themselves.
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And therein we have the problem. You can't compare with former years accurately because the monitoring stations are not the ones they use now. Weather satellites are a recent invention comparatively speaking. Of course there is going to be an increase or decrease. The weather changes every day. The other problem is they are only forecasting one way. Hotter not colder. When it's colder the excuses come up. Polar Vortex, etc.
 
Camper6 said:
It's not coal. It's oil.
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Sorry, I was being parochial, I sometimes forget I'm not talking to another Aussie.

Camper6 said:
Sorry your suggestion that governments should do something? They can't.
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Just to be parochial again, here I believe they can, they just won't. There is a lot of money in coal mines. I live in a city that probably wouldn't exist without them. But this lovely old heritage city has also seen it's fair share of tragedy because of them. Maybe that colours my views.

Anyway, it's been fun talking with you Camper6.
 
If Global Warming or Climate Change is measured over the centuries in Geological periods, then why is it being discussed at all?

We don't live "over the centuries", we live in the present time.

That's just something for Geologists to discuss as they're smoking their pipes and sipping their brandy.

Hal
 
The way I look at it, if the 97% of the scientists are correct and we have a problem and we do something to help it, the worst case scenario is that my stock investments make a few pennies less as companies clean up their pollution. The upside is that we have cleaner air and water, among other things. I'm willing to lose the little to save a lot.
 
Wandrin said:
The way I look at it, if the 97% of the scientists are correct and we have a problem and we do something to help it, the worst case scenario is that my stock investments make a few pennies less as companies clean up their pollution. The upside is that we have cleaner air and water, among other things. I'm willing to lose the little to save a lot.
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97% of the scientists? That's often quoted. That is not accurate.
 

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