One of our Congress critters was part of the boycott and I applaud him!

Certainly not of the Government created debt files that I have posted before. So I just do not undestand how some other printer can create these files and claim them to be true. On the other files none of these debts appeared till after the lefties took over in Bush's last years. Best find a better source if you wish to convince many of the folks in the US.

This is all written by a far left liberal group and is not officially the government numbers that I have been posting. I will take the governments numbers over any outside groups.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/
 

I am not sure what was meant by saying the government agency was not good a good source.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/

For me this is the best place to look. Those other charts presented were modified with some off the wall ideas and not one proof given.
 

Congressional Budget Office does have a lot of data, including this typical chart.

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The same chart that most authors use to describe our debts. There are also many pages of conversation and data for all of us to use.

Those strange charts said they used the data from the Congressional Budget Office. But did not say they added their own data to the borrowed data from the government. Lots to read at this location, https://www.cbo.gov/ .

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/49892

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/43907

In fact, the entire link is filled with some very interesting reading. Much more trustworthy than some other sources that make up their own data for what ever reasons.
 
[h=1]Senate Democrats Force Mitch McConnell To Cancel Vote On Iran Bill[/h]http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03...ce-mitch-mcconnell-cancel-vote-iran-bill.html

Senate Democrats Force Mitch McConnell To Cancel Vote On Iran Bill
By: Jason Easley
Thursday, March, 5th, 2015, 7:02 pm


Senate Democrats forced Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to back off of a plan to turn a bill related to Iran into a partisan attack on President Obama.

After McConnell tried to use Netanyahu’s speech to doublecross Democrats who supported a bill that would call for the Senate to review any agreement made by President Obama with Iran regarding their nuclear program, nine Senate Democrats withdrew their support for the legislation.

The Democrats told McConnell:

On a day defined by serious discourse about Iran’s illicit nuclear weapons program, at a moment when legislators are contemplating the most serious national security issue of our time, we are disappointed that you have proceeded outside of regular order which suggests that the goal of this maneuver is to score partisan political points, rather than pursue a substantive strategy to counter Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

The deadline for a political framework agreement with Iran is March 24, and a final agreement is not expected to be reached until the end of June. There is no immediate or urgent need to circumvent the Committee process and we are disappointed that you’ve pursued this partisan course of action.

We remain committed to working on this bill in a bipartisan manner. As such, and as a result of your actions, we will only vote for this bill after it has gone through the regular mark-up process in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and after the March 24th deadline for the political framework agreement.


McConnell’s office announced that they were canceling their planned vote “It is clear that Senate Democrats will filibuster their own bill — a bill they rushed to introduce before the White House cut a deal with Iran. So, instead, the Senate will turn next to the anti-human-trafficking legislation while Democrats decide whether or not they believe they and Congress as a whole should be able to review and vote on any deal the President cuts with the leaders of Iran.”

Senate Democrats put a quick end to McConnell’s scheme to divide the president and his party. This is the second time less than two weeks that McConnell has been forced to cave on his plans. McConnell promised an aggressive agenda that would bend the president to his will, but what has happened is that Democrats has asserted firm control over the Senate’s agenda.

McConnell tried to pull a fast one on the Democrats who supported the bill, so the bipartisan support quickly vanished for the legislation. Sen. McConnell can do nothing without Democratic support. The Majority Leader is learning fast that there is a heavy price to be paid for his years of obstruction.



......Democrats nipped this in the bud.
 
Senate Democrats Force Mitch McConnell To Cancel Vote On Iran Bill

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03...ce-mitch-mcconnell-cancel-vote-iran-bill.html

Senate Democrats Force Mitch McConnell To Cancel Vote On Iran Bill
By: Jason Easley
Thursday, March, 5th, 2015, 7:02 pm


Senate Democrats forced Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to back off of a plan to turn a bill related to Iran into a partisan attack on President Obama.

After McConnell tried to use Netanyahu’s speech to doublecross Democrats who supported a bill that would call for the Senate to review any agreement made by President Obama with Iran regarding their nuclear program, nine Senate Democrats withdrew their support for the legislation.

The Democrats told McConnell:

On a day defined by serious discourse about Iran’s illicit nuclear weapons program, at a moment when legislators are contemplating the most serious national security issue of our time, we are disappointed that you have proceeded outside of regular order which suggests that the goal of this maneuver is to score partisan political points, rather than pursue a substantive strategy to counter Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

The deadline for a political framework agreement with Iran is March 24, and a final agreement is not expected to be reached until the end of June. There is no immediate or urgent need to circumvent the Committee process and we are disappointed that you’ve pursued this partisan course of action.

We remain committed to working on this bill in a bipartisan manner. As such, and as a result of your actions, we will only vote for this bill after it has gone through the regular mark-up process in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and after the March 24th deadline for the political framework agreement.


McConnell’s office announced that they were canceling their planned vote “It is clear that Senate Democrats will filibuster their own bill — a bill they rushed to introduce before the White House cut a deal with Iran. So, instead, the Senate will turn next to the anti-human-trafficking legislation while Democrats decide whether or not they believe they and Congress as a whole should be able to review and vote on any deal the President cuts with the leaders of Iran.”

Senate Democrats put a quick end to McConnell’s scheme to divide the president and his party. This is the second time less than two weeks that McConnell has been forced to cave on his plans. McConnell promised an aggressive agenda that would bend the president to his will, but what has happened is that Democrats has asserted firm control over the Senate’s agenda.

McConnell tried to pull a fast one on the Democrats who supported the bill, so the bipartisan support quickly vanished for the legislation. Sen. McConnell can do nothing without Democratic support. The Majority Leader is learning fast that there is a heavy price to be paid for his years of obstruction.



......Democrats nipped this in the bud.

Good for them.... Of course it's because I called both my Senators and voiced my concern... lol!! yeah.. right.

McConnell tried to pull a fast one on the Democrats who supported the bill, so the bipartisan support quickly vanished for the legislation. Sen. McConnell can do nothing without Democratic support. The Majority Leader is learning fast that there is a heavy price to be paid for his years of obstruction.

How's that big "victory" in November working out?
 
How's that big "victory" in November working out?

Way too soon to tell. Time will tell if any good has happened with the Congressional change last November. Much of what has been committed by the Obama government will need a new President in charge to allow it or enough Democrats, unsure but about 6, to change and support any bills the Congress wants done to over ride the Presidents refusal to accept.
 
How's that big "victory" in November working out?

Way too soon to tell. Time will tell if any good has happened with the Congressional change last November. Much of what has been committed by the Obama government will need a new President in charge to allow it or enough Democrats, unsure but about 6, to change and support any bills the Congress wants done to over ride the Presidents refusal to accept.

This isn't Disneyland... A wish won't make it so..
 
This isn't Disneyland... A wish won't make it so..

So true, and that is why I made my post. There really are some realistic folks in the Democrat party that will make up their own minds and vote for what they feel is right. Not all are brainwashed like some.
 
So true, and that is why I made my post. There really are some realistic folks in the Democrat party that will make up their own minds and vote for what they feel is right. Not all are brainwashed like some.


You mean like the entire Republican caucus is? NO... the GOP is going to reap the rewards for the past 6 years of obstruction.. and better yet.. with 24 republican senate seats up for grabs and only 10 Democratic ones in 2016... they are also going to lose the Senate.
 
BobF, Why are you so confident it is the Democrats who are brainwashed? Is it possible that it is the repubs who are in fact brainwashed? I assure it would take far less soap to wash the average repubs brain.
 
How do you consider the last 6 years as Republican obstruction. The Republicans were not obstructing as the Democrats would not even listen to the Republicans efforts to help run this country. The Republicans were locked out of the Obama care meetings, any Republican House bills sent to the Senate for consideration were just ignored by Senator Reid and never got considered at all. So how is this all called obstructing. Likely some of your brainwashed thinking going on here.
 
How do you consider the last 6 years as Republican obstruction. The Republicans were not obstructing as the Democrats would not even listen to the Republicans efforts to help run this country. The Republicans were locked out of the Obama care meetings, any Republican House bills sent to the Senate for consideration were just ignored by Senator Reid and never got considered at all. So how is this all called obstructing. Likely some of your brainwashed thinking going on here.


So what do you make of the fact that any bill that WAS brought up for a vote in the Senate was Filibustered and required 60 votes to pass? Not obstruction? or..

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BobF, Why are you so confident it is the Democrats who are brainwashed? Is it possible that it is the repubs who are in fact brainwashed? I assure it would take far less soap to wash the average repubs brain.

Jim, I just posted and example of some rather strange and untrue comments we see on this thread and others. This world is bigger and more complex than just this clean world idea that so far has not started to work. The US is doing pretty good as we live today but can not implement things not yet invented or working as hoped. Many countries around this world are not doing well at all in clean living.

I just said some are brainwashed and hopefully there are plenty more willing to work with what we have. Are there any Republicans that seem to be brainwashed? I would say yes there are some.
 
So what do you make of the fact that any bill that WAS brought up for a vote in the Senate was Filibustered and required 60 votes to pass? Not obstruction? or..

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And how many bills over the last 6 years were brought up for a vote in the last 6 years. Not many at all from the Republican side. Are you speaking of a Democrat bill, which is changing the subject in the middle of my answer.
 
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Is this another of those untrustworthy far left liberal charts. No definitions. No data. Nothing to be used in a honest discussion. If many bills from the Republicans never got past Reid, the how have so many obstructions happened.

You are just proving how useless your posts are really being.
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...filibustered-about-500-pieces-of-legislation/

Fact Checker
Four Pinocchios for Obama’s claim that Republicans have ‘filibustered about 500 pieces of legislation’


By Glenn Kessler May 9, 2014
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“Here’s what’s more disconcerting. Their [Republicans'] willingness to say no to everything — the fact that since 2007, they have filibustered about 500 pieces of legislation that would help the middle class just gives you a sense of how opposed they are to any progress — has actually led to an increase in cynicism and discouragement among the people who were counting on us to fight for them.”

– President Obama, remarks at a DCCC dinner, May 7, 2014
In addressing a dinner of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in Los Angeles, President Obama made a rather striking claim — that Senate Republicans have filibustered “500 pieces of legislation that would help the middle class.”


Regular readers knows that The Fact Checker has objected to the way that Senate Democrats tally these figures, but the president’s claim makes little sense no matter how you do the numbers.
The Facts

First, some definitions: A filibuster generally refers to extended debate that delays a vote on a pending matter, while cloture is a device to end debate. Filibusters are used by opponents of a nominee or legislation, while cloture is filed by supporters.
Since 2007, there have been 527 cloture motions that have been filed, according to Senate statistics. This is apparently where Obama got his figure. But this tells only part of the story, as many of those cloture motions were simply dropped, never actually voted on, or “vitiated” in the senatorial nomenclature.

Obama is assuming every cloture motion can be counted as a filibuster. Political scientist Sarah Binder of the Brookings Institution, in 2002 co-wrote a paper that concluded there was 94 percent correlation between cloture motions and documented filibusters between 1917 and 1996. But the Congressional Research Service, using newer data, warned in a 2013 report that “it would be erroneous, however, to treat this table as a list of filibusters on nominations.”

Indeed, when you go through the numbers, there have just been 133 successful filibusters — meaning a final vote could not take place — since 2007.

But, even if you accept the way Senate Democrats like to frame the issue, the president is still wrong. He referred to “legislation” — and most of these cloture motions concerned judicial and executive branch nominations. In the 113th Congress, for instance, 83 of the 136 cloture motions so far have concerned nominations, not legislation.

Binder declined to comment on Obama’s claim but said: “I would certainly agree with you that if I were counting cloture votes aimed at ‘legislation that would help the middle class,’ I would not count cloture votes aimed at confirmation votes.”

Even then, while Obama referred to “500 pieces of legislation,” the same bill can be subject to as many as three cloture motions, further inflating the numbers. For instance, there may be cloture to get on the bill, cloture on the substitute bill (if lawmakers are simply using an unrelated bill as a vehicle for passage), and cloture on the underlying bill. All of these votes might take place on the same day, but it creates the illusion of the same bill being “filibustered” three times. It certainly does not mean there were three pieces of legislation. So far in the 113th Congress, 36 pieces of legislation were subject to a cloture motion — and 12 were actually filibustered. That’s a far cry from the 136 that Obama is counting in order to tally up 500.

Obama’s count also includes at least a half-dozen instances when Republicans were blocked by Democrats through use of the filibuster. In fact, in the biggest oddity, the president reached back to 2007 in making his claim, so he includes two years when he was still a senator. On eight occasions, he voted against ending debate — the very thing he decried in his remarks. Here’s a list of those votes:

There is one further wrinkle. The counting of cloture motions does not include the many times senators agree to have a 60-vote threshold for the passage of legislation — in other words, the equivalent of a threatened filibuster. Just this week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) sought unanimous consent for a 60-vote threshold for a Republican-backed bill to approve the Keystone pipeline, as part of an agreement to set up a vote for an energy efficiency bill that also would have required 60 votes for passage. Republicans might argue that Reid’s demand for a 60-vote threshold on Keystone is akin to a filibuster.

Such negotiated voting “suggests once again that cloture motion counts are an imperfect measure of threatened or actual filibusters,” Binder said. “A negotiated 60-vote threshold avoids the lengthy mechanics of the cloture process, but still imposes a hurdle to simple majority rule.”
 

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