One of our Congress critters was part of the boycott and I applaud him!

One interesting aspect of this conflict is the way the GOP has managed to make it an ugly American political conflict. American Jews are traditionally liberal, and overwhelmingly support Obama. The GOP is trying to turn Israel, which is pretty right-wing under Netanyahu, into a wedge issue to gain Jewish votes. That's what this is really about.

However, it isn't working too well. Most Jewish Americans still hold to their liberal Democratic standpoint on things. Israel is supported also, but not to the extent of making people change their political orientation. Most of the American Jewish support for Netanyahu comes from the small conservative fringe; the great majority is frustrated and unhappy with the Hobson's choice they are being offered.

Netanyahu is right in trying to protect his people, who clearly are in danger from Iran. And the expression, "Never again" has to mean something. But he is wrong by the way he is injecting this issue into American politics and apparently teaming up with the GOP for his own, and their, mutual political gain.
 

Some more biased twists of what really happened. Did any of you go read my post about the splitting of the US in recent years because both liberals and conservatives have gone into hate modes rather than the way it was a few years back with most folks sharing the middle but now too many folks on both side stepping out of the middle are and posting hate for the others. Mostly in the last 10 or so years too.

Go to that link and watch the film at the beginning. Then go down and read the post and the various charts. Lots to explain this current mess we have going in the US these days.
 

Yet Bob... which party has been the most responsible for the hate mode? The Democratic party did not change or faction off into separate camps.. Sure there are Progressives and there are Blue Dogs.. but they don't fight.. nor does either camp try to control the Democratic platform... On the other hand, the Republicans now have the Teaparty and the Religious Right.. that seem to spew hatred.. especially for minorities, immigrants, women, gays, or any other group that is not what they consider "real American" These factors are slowing removing all moderation or moderate voices from their ranks and purity tests are common. How can you not think that Republicans are not solely responsible for the problem?
 
Which party welcomed the then new President Obama to office by declaring they would do everything possible to see that he was a one term President and continuing that policy to this day? Which party BobF? Just R or D will do...tell us please...
 
Just another twisted post, not at all real as you claim. Yes the Republican party had been affected by the Tea Party folks and the one time religious group that at one time was all Democrat. Remember the southern Christian group that the Democrats somehow pushed out so they came to the Republican party back a few years now. I believe that was when the Republicans gained the southern vote after never doing well in the south before. Was that the time these hateful actions began, when the Democrats were nasty to a entire section of the US and drove off a large group of loyal voters?

Lets knock off these twisted ideas and get to the facts that you often tell me to post.

I did not come to this forum to fight any person for my rights to believe as I do, mostly centered and voting for both sides depending on the subject.
 
AZ Jim said:
Which party welcomed the then new President Obama to office by declaring they would do everything possible to see that he was a one term President and continuing that policy to this day? Which party BobF? Just R or D will do...tell us please...
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Not to mention the secret meeting on the very night President Obama was inaugurated of a group of Republicans planning to obstruct and block everything our new President tried to do.. D or R Bob...
 
BobF said:
Just another twisted post, not at all real as you claim. Yes the Republican party had been affected by the Tea Party folks and the one time religious group that at one time was all Democrat. Remember the southern Christian group that the Democrats somehow pushed out so they came to the Republican party back a few years now. I believe that was when the Republicans gained the southern vote after never doing well in the south before. Was that the time these hateful actions began, when the Democrats were nasty to a entire section of the US and drove off a large group of loyal voters?

Lets knock off these twisted ideas and get to the facts that you often tell me to post.

I did not come to this forum to fight any person for my rights to believe as I do, mostly centered and voting for both sides depending on the subject.
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No one is saying you can't believe as you do... we are just pointing out why you shouldn't. You are unable to come up with one solid instance where or why we are wrong... only that we are.. We have shown you over and over what the truth is.. you refuse to accept it.
 
Let's not talk 40 years ago lets answer my question about 6 years ago and the ongoing obstructionism of the republicans? Remember when Mitch McConnell made that statement? He and you by supporting him are failing our country.
 
AZ Jim said:
Which party welcomed the then new President Obama to office by declaring they would do everything possible to see that he was a one term President and continuing that policy to this day? Which party BobF? Just R or D will do...tell us please...
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Not so quick as at first the Republicans did try to work with Obama. After a few months they did find that the Obama government was actually trying to ignore the Republican group and do things without proper debate in Congress. The Obama care effort was all done behind close doors and not as a joint effort to fix the problem. It had to be Obama care as he decided and not some effort out of a joint Congress. Still may lose Obama care if the Supreme Court decides so.

Much of the Obama term has been solely on what he wants and the Congress has generally had a long vacation, or in house fight, and all we have to show for these years so far that we can not get away from is the over 10 trillion of increased debt with no known reason for all this expense in the public view.

But maybe in fifty or more years we will be able to pay it off, of become just another European country deep in debt, unemployed as the companies have been killed off, and begging for money or food from a wealthy nation which we will never be again, so beg from whom?

Really can't get the lefties to admit to such a sad situation created by Obama.

I would say Obama created this inter governmental problem. My answer to your question is a big D.
 
QuickSilver said:
No one is saying you can't believe as you do... we are just pointing out why you shouldn't. You are unable to come up with one solid instance where or why we are wrong... only that we are.. We have shown you over and over what the truth is.. you refuse to accept it.
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Try pointing out that your comments are true and factual and not just more of your babble headed 'me too'. You seem to have appointed yourself to be the one to listen too and never challenged. So what? There are plenty of things that are true depending on a personal feeling. But still not be true to others. Big examples of that situation are in the religions. Politics would be a big second for many truths to exist at the same time.
 
BobF said:
Not so quick as at first the Republicans did try to work with Obama. After a few months they did find that the Obama government was actually trying to ignore the Republican group and do things without proper debate in Congress. The Obama care effort was all done behind close doors and not as a joint effort to fix the problem. It had to be Obama care as he decided and not some effort out of a joint Congress. Still may lose Obama care if the Supreme Court decides so.

Much of the Obama term has been solely on what he wants and the Congress has generally had a long vacation, or in house fight, and all we have to show for these years so far that we can not get away from is the over 10 trillion of increased debt with no known reason for all this expense in the public view.

But maybe in fifty or more years we will be able to pay it off, of become just another European country deep in debt, unemployed as the companies have been killed off, and begging for money or food from a wealthy nation which we will never be again, so beg from whom?

Really can't get the lefties to admit to such a sad situation created by Obama.

I would say Obama created this inter governmental problem. My answer to your question is a big D.
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WHEN did Republicans try to work with the President? Not ever... they expected HIM to compromise when they refused.. OR they shut down the whole works. How many times has the Teaparty factor brought us to the brink... over the debt limit... the destruction of the full faith and credit of our country with the downgrade of our credit standing... and the latest with the funding of our Homeland Security. Many have said that the word Compromise in not in their vocabulary. Boehner refused to even use the word in an interview.. NO.... This is SOLELY the fault of your party.. You need to open your eyes and admit it. You are so blinded by the propaganda fed to you by FOX and other right wing talks show hosts and publications you cannot even see the forest for the trees.
 
Let's not jump ahead months. McConnell made his little speech upon the election of the President. Is it then any wonder why the democrats would give up on gaining any cooperation from repubs? Clearly the fault lies squarely upon the R party.
 
QuickSilver said:
WHEN did Republicans try to work with the President? Not ever... they expected HIM to compromise when they refused.. OR they shut down the whole works. How many times has the Teaparty factor brought us to the brink... over the debt limit... the destruction of the full faith and credit of our country with the downgrade of our credit standing... and the latest with the funding of our Homeland Security. Many have said that the word Compromise in not in their vocabulary. Boehner refused to even use the word in an interview.. NO.... This is SOLELY the fault of your party.. You need to open your eyes and admit it. You are so blinded by the propaganda fed to you by FOX and other right wing talks show hosts and publications you cannot even see the forest for the trees.
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Some things you folks are failing to recognize are the many times the Republicans did sit down with Obama present and trying to get Obama to understand that they would like to be part of the solutions. Obama never changed one bit. Kept his efforts being done outside the Congress for most all things he has done. Obama care all done behind closed doors. Not even the Democrats knew what was in it. Now we are finding out and it is pretty much a very costly mistake that needs to be openly challenged and corrected.

Obama's unwillingness to compromise deserved a shut down, but Obama is such a not caring person about compromise that he will never change till forced by the Supreme Court or until he is gone and we have a more flexible President involved.

The Tea Party is not the only one worried about the debt limit. Everyone should be and should get the current government to stop overspending all the time. Over 13 trillion increased debt since the far left folks took over. How smart is that? This gross debt to the US is not the fault of the Republican party. The conservative of both parties have been concerned about this major problem, only the far left thinkers of, again, both parties are to blame.

For your education, FOX NEWS is not a right wing station as you keep saying. They have announcers and guest from all parties involved. A least one far left announcers has left their regular job but still come back as persons to be interviewed by other managers. This is done to keep issues alive and from both perspectives.

I do see the forest as it is made up of trees. It is you and your single minded way of doing things that is keep you from knowing better. I have said before more than once, that I am not far right and I do vote from the left on occasion. I vote the issues and not the party. I have also said that I would like to see the parties ended. Maybe we could have ballots that do not recognize the party so we would have voters needing to know their candidates in order to elect. That would end this idea of just looking for 'party' before marking the name.
 
BobF says "For your education, FOX NEWS is not a right wing station as you keep saying."


My answer is...hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
 
Why not try it for a few times, and at different times of the day, to see that what I say is true. FOX NEWS has different programs, some very strict for one side or the other and some do make sure both sides are heard. FOX NEWS is not one sided only.

I emphasize FOX NEWS as Fox has many other stations as well. Some like sports and others have children programs. I am speaking of FOX NEWS only. Using the word FOX is this or that does not tell anything.
 
AZ Jim said:
I think what bothers me so much is the obvious lack of knowledge regarding the issue and willingness to jump in with opinion not understanding what is even being discussed as is the case here..
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If I were you "knowledgeable" ones I'd be honored someone would ask what is happening. Heaven forbid anyone ask a question. I'm guided more by common sense since I'm not up on all the latest news. Many of my questions are either ignored or made fun of, or now it's "how can she have an opinion". Well, I can, as long as it aligns with what you say is right, all else is wrong.

Don't worry, I don't want to be part of this anymore, it's embarrassing to be associated with so much childish fighting, and downright stupidity, no solutions, just fighting. And you claim NOT to want war. There's an oxymoron for you!
 
Well then, please do keep your attention on biased places like CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and several others in addition that we all listen too at times, in addition to just FOX NEWS. That gives us a better balance on what is really the truth and not just more lefty nonsense.

This country is in great debt now since the lefties took control in Bush's last two years. Once Obama is gone, hopefully, we will be able to stop more debt being created no matter who gets elected. There has to be someone of good character in the lefty house, not all lefties are inconsiderate and selfish and unwilling to balance the books.
 
BobF said:
Well then, please do keep your attention on biased places like CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and several others in addition that we all listen too at times, in addition to just FOX NEWS. That gives us a better balance on what is really the truth and not just more lefty nonsense.

This country is in great debt now since the lefties took control in Bush's last two years. Once Obama is gone, hopefully, we will be able to stop more debt being created no matter who gets elected. There has to be someone of good character in the lefty house, not all lefties are inconsiderate and selfish and unwilling to balance the books.
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Repeating a delusion over and over does not make it true...
 
BobF said:
This countries great debt since the far left lefties took over 8 years ago is not a delusion, it is a fact. But some seem unable to understand any reality at all.
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I am sick to death hearing about this out of you... The "Great debt" you keep yammering about comes from having to bail out this country from the total destruction of the economy brought on by GW Bush... In addition... it has gone to pay for the 2 unfunded wars... the unfunded tax cuts to the wealthy and a Part D Medicare program also unfunded by GW.. . So Yes... The debt has increased...... trying to PAY for the things BUSH put on our national credit card. So you know where you can put your claims... because ALL of it was caused by REPUBLICANS..

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QuickSilver said:
I am sick to death hearing about this out of you... The "Great debt" you keep yammering about comes from having to bail out this country from the total destruction of the economy brought on by GW Bush... In addition... it has gone to pay for the 2 unfunded wars... the unfunded tax cuts to the wealthy and a Part D Medicare program also unfunded by GW.. . So Yes... The debt has increased...... trying to PAY for the things BUSH put on our national credit card. So you know where you can put your claims... because ALL of it was caused by REPUBLICANS..

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QS, somewhere, pages and pages ago, SeaBreeze posted just about the same info, so...just expect to see more of the same..lol
 
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