Osteoporosis Drugs and Had Great Success ???

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jaminhealth

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I'm inquiring for a friend as the laundry list of possible side effects isn't enough for her to back away...work on her issues with the deficiencies and the weight bearing work she needs to do.

I never would take that class of drugs and Firstly would work on Prevention to never get to the point where the drugs are recommended by the docs.
 

I'm lucky in that this is not something that occurred with my older female relatives and as a child and teen my diet was rich in calcium. Growing up in Australia sunshine was abundant all year round, so I think osteoporosis is not a great risk in my case. I am still fond of dairy foods and the bone density tests I have had have not shown any problems so far.

However, I don't spend much time outdoors these days, and after a couple of successive routine blood tests showed that my vitamin D levels were low, I have been taking vitamin D3 for several years now. I was prescribed caltrate tables after my last knee operation but once they were consumed I haven't bothered to keep taking them. I already have some plaque in an artery and don't wish to compound that condition.
 
I get my calcium in my greens and some cheese and yogurt and for strong bones I count on Magnesium and so many are deficient in the world. The person I'm thinking about probably NEVER was told about magnesium and the bones and I'm SURE not from her MD....MD's only know to write drug scripts; I avoid them as best I can. I love being my own doctor.

I spent decades in sun and hours at the beach and my D levels came in low after I came in from spending so much time in the Sun. So it's D3 and K2 and magnesium.

A lot of calcium goes to the breast and therefore the calcifications that show up on mammograms. I had 2 mamms at ealy 50's and none since...and I'm 81 soon.

It's said the hard rock calcium tabs go to the blood and not the bones and yet MD's push the H out of it.
 

When I showed osteopenia several years ago my doc wanted me to start taking the meds. I said "Absolutely not." A few years later, the bone scan showed I had actually progressed to osteoporosis and she urged me again to take the meds. I repeated "Absolutely not." I know what the main source of my problem is (steroids for my colitis) so told her I would talk to my GI about getting off the steroids and trying a different colitis med. A few months ago I had another bone scan and my numbers hadn't changed, so I told my doc that between getting off the steroids and now (soon) starting some serious fitness/yoga/weight bearing exercises, I should be able to maintain my numbers or maybe even improve them.

She suggested I re-consider the meds, and I told her that she could prescribe them and have them delivered to my home but unless she planned on showing up at my house to force them down my throat, I would not be taking them.
Sue
 
I had a bone density about 20 yrs ago and told then osteopenia but I've been taking extra amounts of magnesium all these years and as far as I know I'm ok. I've had about 6 falls in the last two years due to arthritic knee issue and hip replacement instability in body and no breaks etc....I know many who fall end up with breaks, fractures. And I bet those people are LOW in magnesium.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775240/

https://www.betterbones.com/bone-nutrition/magnesium/

For you, Sue, the steroids are the issue and how are you with magnesium and D3and K2.
 
I take 800 mg of magnesium a day. I became very sick last year. When I got back home from the hospital (and my 1 day stay in the nursing home-awful), I developed a condition where my entire body shook terribly. Like I had Parkinson's, but much worst. I could barely walk, couldn't stand without help, and transferring in and out of the wheelchair was a nightmare.

Blood tests showed I was a LITTLE low on magnesium, but had a severe reaction to not having enough. 7 months later and I still cannot lower the dose.

I, too, have to take D3. I take certain medicines take deplete D3 and B12. I also have to take potassium.
 
jaminhealth said:
I had a bone density about 20 yrs ago and told then osteopenia but I've been taking extra amounts of magnesium all these years and as far as I know I'm ok. I've had about 6 falls in the last two years due to arthritic knee issue and hip replacement instability in body and no breaks etc....I know many who fall end up with breaks, fractures. And I bet those people are LOW in magnesium.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775240/

https://www.betterbones.com/bone-nutrition/magnesium/

For you, Sue, the steroids are the issue and how are you with magnesium and D3and K2.
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Hi Jamin.
Yes, the years of steroids definitely have taken their toll on my bones, but I've never broken a bone in my life (finding some wood to knock on!) and hope I never do. I'm off the steroids now, and I take D3 every day. I do SOME supplemental magnesium but I have to be careful with that because too much sets off the colitis. Last blood work showed my K2 was in a good range.

Now that I'm retired (less than a week, but loving it so far) I'm remodeling what will be my exercise room so I hope to be in great physical condition one year from now, and the next time I have a bone scan, I hope to prove to my doc that this can be fixed without those meds. :)
Sue
 
Exercise? I thought you said "more fries". Lol. Exercise is good, but not for me. I do walk a bit. Not as much as I used to but hopefully more once it's done snowing. Late winter this year.

I take predisone every day due to secondary Addison's disease (too many steroid shots for the spinal pain). No getting away from it. I also have osteopenia-sometimes medical care is a vicious circle. You take a pill which keeps you alive but it gives you another medical problem.

Sue, I hope the exercise works for you! I don't take drugs for the osteopenia either.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Exercise? I thought you said "more fries". Lol. Exercise is good, but not for me. I do walk a bit. Not as much as I used to but hopefully more once it's done snowing. Late winter this year.

I take predisone every day due to secondary Addison's disease (too many steroid shots for the spinal pain). No getting away from it. I also have osteopenia-sometimes medical care is a vicious circle. You take a pill which keeps you alive but it gives you another medical problem.

Sue, I hope the exercise works for you! I don't take drugs for the osteopenia either.
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LOL I am hoping that with more exercise I can allow myself more fries! :) Yes, medical care can be a vicious cycle.... if a drug gives you side effects, they give you another drug for those, and then another, and another.....

Yes, I know there are life-threatening conditions that deem it necessary for medications, and I am thankful that they exist and that they save lives, but I try to take as few as possible. If there's another way, I go that route first. Good luck to all of us!
Sue
 
I'm of a pretty strong belief that there are alternatives for just about everything out there that many come in contact with...Its's said diabetes can be reversed and it can sure be majorally managed with putting the right foods in one's mouth. And moving as best one can. Many are just willing to pop the pharma pills and face whatever music.
 
I am diabetic type 2.

Yes, if I was a strong willed person I could overcome diabetes. (Type 1 as far as I know cannot be overcome.) Hold on a minute, let me finish eating my red vines. (Seriously, I really am eating them.) Lol.

Hmm, the problem is I love sugar. I'm addicted to sugar. And while I will quit eating red vines soon, since it's chololate marshmellow Easter bunny time, I will continue eating sugar. But I have cut down on carbs and sugar. Carbs cause me more problems than sugar.

It is a lifestyle choice. There is only so much you can give up, strong willed or not; and I'm not strong willed.

But adrenal failure, sadly, cannot be reversed. I will have to take predsione till I die.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I am diabetic type 2.

Yes, if I was a strong willed person I could overcome diabetes. (Type 1 as far as I know cannot be overcome.) Hold on a minute, let me finish eating my red vines. (Seriously, I really am eating them.) Lol.

Hmm, the problem is I love sugar. I'm addicted to sugar. And while I will quit eating red vines soon, since it's chololate marshmellow Easter bunny time, I will continue eating sugar. But I have cut down on carbs and sugar. Carbs cause me more problems than sugar.

It is a lifestyle choice. There is only so much you can give up, strong willed or not; and I'm not strong willed.

But adrenal failure, sadly, cannot be reversed. I will have to take predsione till I die.
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All addictions can be broken. Sugar is a killer and even cancer cells love it. Carbs turn to sugar. You are in denial and will continue with your Type II as you are not willing to change your lifestyle.

So diabetes, maybe cancer and for sure keeping dentists thriving. Don't you get it.

I ate a lot of sugar stuff for years and no diabetes here but finally SHOOK MYSELF and said stop. I take care of my teeth and no dentists in almost 10 yrs now as I even make my own toothpaste.

I want something sweet, a kiwi is great and high in fiber and a good healthy fruit. Berries, 1/2 organic apple with peanut butter spread. There is so much we can do and change ..

Carbs and sugar, they are all the same.

I am finally choosing not to be a slave to the capitalists and all the cwap out there....

I have a friend and we talk once a month or so on the phone and she's eating herself to death. She is overweight and so addicted to what she does....and pops her Metformin. Her breathing is getting more shallow and her heart is in danger. Sad. Maybe she wants to go, be with her husband.
 
I have a sugar addiction, too, or maybe "addiction" is a strong word. I love the stuff! But the times in my life that I have given it up, I have felt SO much better, physically and emotionally. When I was seeing a nutritionist I was eating sweets once a day, before bed. He urged me to give it up,and when he saw me pouting, he suggested I wean off slowly. Give it up one night a week. The next week, skip two nights a week. I skipped right over skipping three nights and went right to 4 nights a week. After that, I found I was craving a banana with peanut butter more than chocolate.

Unfortunately, I'm back on sweets right now and I can feel how crappy it makes me feel, so soon, I go back to clean eating. Very low carbs, VERY little sugar. And that's when the exercise and walking will be stepped up, too.

Is adrenal fatigue and failure a real thing? I've read so many conflicting articles about it. My GP believes it is not, but my nutritionist said it is, and after examining me told me my adrenals were shot. But I suspect that was partly (or wholly?) due to the fact that he wanted to start selling me tons of supplements.
Sue
 
Sue, the U.S. population is full of addiction from sugars and carbs, alcohol which turns to sugar...a vicious cycle of sugar. BUT just think all those so in love with sugar are making the cancer, diabetes, dental, arthritis and more industries really happy.

On the adrenals, and I don't go to mainstream GP's, they won't or don't know how to talk about the adrenals. So many MD's are so unhealthy themselves.

There are MANY adrenal supports one can try and I've done my share in my life. Right now, am not as I feel pretty good. No sugar and carbs in my life...a personal pizza now and then and some gluten free crackers, but they are carbs so keep them down in my body. If I'm going to be around for some more years and I believe I will be I don't want propped up with drugs.
 
Sue777,

Yes, adrenal failure is a real thing. Goggle Addison disease, president Kennedy had it. There is a blood test for adrenal failure.

jaminhealth,

I responded to what you wrote but the computer seems to have dropped it. Ugh. Don't know if I should repeat myself or not. Lol.
 
Jaminhealth,

My dropped post never showed up and I finally remembered where this post was. Sigh. To continue, lol.

What on earth makes you think I am in denial over my condition? I am so curious as to "hear" your answer to this question. I believe I said in my post I made a life choice. Perhaps I stated it wrong. An informed life choice might have been better. I am well aware of what sugar does.

IMO, you might consider that making such definitive assumptions without knowing someone's entire health history could be a mistake. For example, I have a failing intestine. The last GI doc I saw was great and he will be the last. The conversation started like this:

Hi, you need to go to the ER right away. We will reschedule your appointment. I can call an ambulance or your husband can take you. Which would you like?

LOL. My response.

Neither, you're worried because by heart beat was only 35? Here let me stand up, jump up and down, and I'll bring it up and we can continue the appointment. Ok?

And I did. It rose to 44. My heart beats range from 35 to 210. I have bradycardia, AFIB, SVT, and left sided (I think-anyway the one that can't be helped) heart failure. I had a 48 hour EKG and I had over 15,000 irregular heartbeats. I have muliple serious medical problems.

Sure, sugar won't help but it won't be what kills me. But thanks for your concern.
 
I just looked thru the thread and I guess I said what I did is the comment on eating the red vines and how you LOVE sugar. Sugar is not your friend. If I had diabetes and other issues and all I've read on sugar and talked in groups about it in the last 15 or so yrs, I would steer clear as much as possible.

That's it.
 

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