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If you do the research into past civilizations and how they were governed you will be quite amazed that we made it beyond them. They were ruled by cruel unyielding people, who lived day to day lives eventually spreading out across the globe....The advancement to today is quite astonishing actually!!
 

peramangkelder said:

An unprecedented DNA study has found evidence of a single human migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago​

Which confirmed that Aboriginal Australians are the world’s oldest continuous civilization of at least 60,000+ years ​

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Would you please provide a link to that study.
 

It is amazing how different our lives are than they were for most of human existence, short, brutal, and quite uncomfortable.

I like Jared Diamond's book "The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn from Traditional Societies?" it does a good job of explaining it all. Quite eye opening. He makes the point that despite a general perception that the world is getting worse, in fact we live in the most peaceful time in all of human existence, by far. So much for "the good old days"...

https://www.amazon.com/World-Until-...e+World+Until+Yesterday&qid=1632498488&sr=8-1
 
How many years does it take for a civilization to collapse?


about 250 years

Gradual disintegration, not sudden catastrophic collapse, is the way civilizations end.” Greer estimates that it takes, on average, about 250 years for civilizations to decline and fall, and he finds no reason why modern civilization shouldn't follow this “usual timeline.”

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That is about how long we have had a global civilization.
 
raybar said:
Here's an article in Nature about these footprints.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41...ail&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-821a738445-46459378

Note that, although the writers seem highly confident, their findings still need to be peer reviewed and confirmed or falsified.
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It is interesting, and I think the underlying article is peer reviewed ( https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abg7586 ). However I agree things like this take a lot of study and vetting before the story gets generally accepted.

I have always suspected that we underestimate the time folks have lived in the Americas, widely dispersed and lightly populated leaves the fossil record spotty. However with time we will fill in some of the gaps.
 
Paco Dennis said:
How many years does it take for a civilization to collapse?
about 250 years
Gradual disintegration, not sudden catastrophic collapse, is the way civilizations end.” Greer estimates that it takes, on average, about 250 years for civilizations to decline and fall, and he finds no reason why modern civilization shouldn't follow this “usual timeline.”
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That is about how long we have had a global civilization.
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"No great civilization is destroyed from without, until it has destroyed itself from within".
Will Durant, historian
 
senior chef said:
"No great civilization is destroyed from without, until it has destroyed itself from within".
Will Durant, historian
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An exception might be the Native American civilizations that were destroyed by diseases brought to the Americas about 500 years ago. Unless you consider that "from within".

There are probably other exceptions, like the Santorini volcanic eruption that destroyed the local Minoans, but I get it. I think this has probably been true much of the time.
 
Alligatorob said:
An exception might be the Native American civilizations that were destroyed by diseases brought to the Americas about 500 years ago. Unless you consider that "from within".

There are probably other exceptions, like the Santorini volcanic eruption that destroyed the local Minoans, but I get it. I think this has probably been true much of the time.
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I think we must also consider how we define "great".
 
Alligatorob said:
An exception might be the Native American civilizations that were destroyed by diseases brought to the Americas about 500 years ago. Unless you consider that "from within".

There are probably other exceptions, like the Santorini volcanic eruption that destroyed the local Minoans, but I get it. I think this has probably been true much of the time.
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Quite pleasant to see that you have a wide knowledge of history. Very few do.
Even fewer have ever heard of the Minoans, much less Santorini.
 
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I always thought that when civilizations were at their peak, they were all pretty similar., They all had a strong, central leadership, with a thriving economy, and consistent food source. Plus massive public works. Outside of the rise in technology, and discounted for cultural/religious differences,. I think we could easily live in the best days of those ancient civilizations. I am totally awed by ancient Egypt. Not only did they know the earth was round, they figured out the earth's circumference. We have a record of the first known labor strike. They had plastic surgery, and could mend broken bones. They were breeding cattle that were more adapted to a desert climate. I also think we would have felt at home in Rome, except for its brutality.
 

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