Panel of 18 vote with majority against recommending Covid booster. Lacking safety and evidence

Murrmurr said:
The CDC has approved third dose vaccinations for immunocompromised patients. Third dose vaccination is currently limited to those patients who received a Pfizer or Moderna vaccination – it does not include J&J vaccine recipients at this time.

“Immunocompromised” includes patients who:

Are receiving treatments for solid tumors or blood cancers
Are taking immunosuppressing medications after a solid organ transplant
Are within 2 years of receiving CAR-T therapy or a stem cell transplant
Have primary immunodeficiencies -- rare genetic disorders that prevent the immune system from working properly
Diagnosed with advanced or untreated HIV
Are taking high-dose corticosteroids (more than 20 milligrams of prednisone or its equivalent daily), alkylating agents, antimetabolites, chemotherapy, TNF blockers or other immunomodulating or immunosuppressing biologics
Patients with chronic renal disease, live without a spleen, or who are receiving dialysis may also qualify.

There's no mention of age in the CDCs recommendation.
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Shake it up, mix it up, change the text, blow smoke out, fan the flames and use a fire extinguisher. And wait for the ashes to settle. Then do it all over. In other words they keep changing the message and orders so often people get confused if they dont use real discernment. Question and research. Ive watched the message change and meaning by just moving the words around. I cant even believe anymore what the website is saying one day to the next.

So, I dont trust them at all.
 

Pauline1954 said:
Shake it up, mix it up, change the text, blow smoke out, fan the flames and use a fire extinguisher. And wait for the ashes to settle. Then do it all over. In other words they keep changing the message and orders so often people get confused if they dont use real discernment. Question and research. Ive watched the message change and meaning by just moving the words around. I cant even believe anymore what the website is saying one day to the next.

So, I dont trust them at all.
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so, don't trust anyone .that's your opinion. even though information changes, the message has been quite constant.
 
Murrmurr said:
The CDC has approved third dose vaccinations for immunocompromised patients. Third dose vaccination is currently limited to those patients who received a Pfizer or Moderna vaccination – it does not include J&J vaccine recipients at this time.

“Immunocompromised” includes patients who:

Are receiving treatments for solid tumors or blood cancers
Are taking immunosuppressing medications after a solid organ transplant
Are within 2 years of receiving CAR-T therapy or a stem cell transplant
Have primary immunodeficiencies -- rare genetic disorders that prevent the immune system from working properly
Diagnosed with advanced or untreated HIV
Are taking high-dose corticosteroids (more than 20 milligrams of prednisone or its equivalent daily), alkylating agents, antimetabolites, chemotherapy, TNF blockers or other immunomodulating or immunosuppressing biologics
Patients with chronic renal disease, live without a spleen, or who are receiving dialysis may also qualify.

There's no mention of age in the CDCs recommendation.
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When they're pushing vaccines--both Covid and Flu--they also list Diabetics & anyone over 65 as "Immunocompromised."
And what about people with immune-system illnesses like Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis, Type 1 Diabetes?
 

win231 said:
When they're pushing vaccines--both Covid and Flu--they also list Diabetics & anyone over 65 as "Immunocompromised."
And what about people with immune-system illnesses like Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis, Type 1 Diabetes?
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I don't know. But I don't believe people over 65 are listed as immunocompromised just based on their age. It's common knowledge that people's immune system can weaken over time, but that doesn't necessarily mean their immune system is compromised, just often (but not always) not as strong as it once was.
 
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Alligatorob said:
Our local Walmart seems to be happy to give the third shot to anyone over 65, just assuming we are all "immunocompromised". Of course they make money from it. I will wait for my 8 months though.
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The FDA approved it for people 65 and older. The CDC only recommends it for immunocompromised people (and only those who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine). But, of course, the FDA gets a *different type* of funding and support than the CDC.
 
Pauline1954 said:
** but people over 65 can get it. 🤔🤔🤔
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Yes. Very true. That is because people over 65 are much more likely to suffer greatly or even die than younger people. The risk/reward ratio is different for the various age groups. To not take the into account would be foolish.

I'll get a booster in a few months. First I will get the flu shot. Wait. Then get the booster. That is the plan that I think will work best for me. Others may have different plans.
 
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Brookswood said:
Yes. Very true. That is because people over 65 are much more likely to suffer greatly or even die than younger people. The risk/reward ratio is different for the various age groups. To not take the into account would be foolish.

I'll get a booster in a few months. First I will get he flu shot. Wait. Then get the booster. That is the plan that I think will work best for me. Others may have different plans.
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I'm not convinced that I should get a flu shot on top of the covid-19 vaccine. I'm definitely getting the covid shot, but considering I always wear a facemask when I'm around people, which isn't very often, there's not much chance of me catching the flu, and if I do get it, it's not going to kill me. Covid, on the other hand, isn't worth taking that chance. I'm not scared of dying, but I am scared of dying of covid. That seems like a horrible way to go.
 
Irwin said:
I'm not convinced that I should get a flu shot on top of the covid-19 vaccine. I'm definitely getting the covid shot, but considering I always wear a facemask when I'm around people, which isn't very often, there's not much chance of me catching the flu, and if I do get it, it's not going to kill me. Covid, on the other hand, isn't worth taking that chance. I'm not scared of dying, but I am scared of dying of covid. That seems like a horrible way to go.
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Dying of Covid-19 is horrible, I hear from people who have lost a loved one.
 
AnnieA said:
Please, Please, Please!!! If you can afford it, have your antibody levels tested before a booster. Don't get one until your antibodies start to decrease showing you actually need one.

As more data comes in, there are increasing incidences of adverse cardiac reactions to vaccines including myocarditis and pericarditis. Most recent data is from the University of Ottowa Heart Institute that is awaiting peer review.
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How do i get my antibodies tested? I haven't been back to my doctors since my recovery from COVID in April and at that time, I was told that my antibodies should last at least another year. But, how can I be assured of that?
 
John cycling said:
No matter how many times you repeat that lie on numerous different threads, it still isn't true.

Look at all the people who've been vaccinated, then get sick in the hospital - if they're lucky - then blame it on a virus. :ROFLMAO: Look at Mathjak who was in the hospital for months with his wife after both of them were shot with the poisons, and still insists it was a virus that made him sick for the rest of his life not the poisonous shots. :ROFLMAO:

Back to basics. 1+1=2. 2+2=4.
What goes around comes around. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
What people like you, Sunny and Mathjak need to have is a really strong shot of Logic 101. :love:
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Did Mathjak die?
 
Pauline1954 said:
Shake it up, mix it up, change the text, blow smoke out, fan the flames and use a fire extinguisher. And wait for the ashes to settle. Then do it all over. In other words they keep changing the message and orders so often people get confused if they don't use real discernment. Question and research. I've watched the message change and meaning by just moving the words around. I cant even believe anymore what the website is saying one day to the next.

So, I don't trust them at all.
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This has been a big issue for people not wanting to take the vaccine. Too much flip-flopping, changing minds, changing opinions, etc. Just before the election both Biden and Harris were telling us that they weren't going to take the vaccine. Now, it's a mandate for many of us. How does anyone expect people to be convinced that the vaccines are the way to go? They made this mess.
 
oldman said:
This has been a big issue for people not wanting to take the vaccine. Too much flip-flopping, changing minds, changing opinions, etc. Just before the election both Biden and Harris were telling us that they weren't going to take the vaccine. Now, it's a mandate for many of us. How does anyone expect people to be convinced that the vaccines are the way to go? They made this mess.
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Whenever there is lying, there is usually a mess.
 
oldman said:
How do i get my antibodies tested? I haven't been back to my doctors since my recovery from COVID in April and at that time, I was told that my antibodies should last at least another year. But, how can I be assured of that?
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Check with your primary provider.
 

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