Passenger shoved in front of New York City subway train

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The 23-year-old Kamel Hawkins has been charged with attempted murder and second-degree assault.
He has a substantial criminal record, US media reported. He was charged with assault in 2019 after attacking a police officer, and was also charged with assault and weapons possession in October last year.
Watch: Passenger shoved in front of New York subway train

I love the U.S. Two days ago New Orleans, yesterday the cyber truck in front of the Trump hotel and Kamel Hawkins. It doesn't get boring in your country. Sarcasm? Sure.
Btw.: The knife stabbings, often fatal, rapes and gang rapes in Germany are legion too, since Merkel has openened the German borders in fall of 2015. Thus no reason to criticize the U.S.
 

After the homeless lady was killed burned alive. Another woman was stabbed in the neck and now another push onto the tracks.

Also saw where the Guardian Angels said they wanted to boost their patrols on the subway although the push or shove on the tracks happen so fast other than get someone off the tracks not much can be done.
 
When my subway station FINALLY completes its elevator, it has been 2 years with no end in sight, I will be using the trains again. My immediate neighborhood has boring stores. If I have the guts, I will eventually tour the places of my past; that will require longer trips, and maybe even changing trains. I'm anxious to ride the trains for personal freedom.

I will be afraid, but since I'm afraid of everything anyway it won't be unexpected. Maybe it's just a dream of mine...........
 
Pepper said:
When my subway station FINALLY completes its elevator, it has been 2 years with no end in sight, I will be using the trains again. My immediate neighborhood has boring stores. If I have the guts, I will eventually tour the places of my past; that will require longer trips, and maybe even changing trains. I'm anxious to ride the trains for personal freedom.

I will be afraid, but since I'm afraid of everything anyway it won't be unexpected. Maybe it's just a dream of mine...........
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Don't use the elevator alone. When you reach the platform stay as far away from the yellow safety strip. Best stay as close to the I shaped uprights and don't move until the subway train stops completely and the doors open. Remember the conductors control compartment is in the middle of these new super long 12 car trains. When you experience your first trip tell us all about it.
 
Look to all the Russians that fall to their deaths while lubing a window slide.
I rode Thomas the Train once. Only train I will ever want to ride.
I don't plan to go to a ball game so I will never ride the train into the City.
City events don't interest me. Avoiding large crowds is a great plan.
Even small town events / flee markets, can be a nightmare. Last year
Grandson hot sun, baseball sunshade cap $30. Now thas the teacher.
 
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WhatInThe said:
After the homeless lady was killed burned alive. Another woman was stabbed in the neck and now another push onto the tracks.

Also saw where the Guardian Angels said they wanted to boost their patrols on the subway although the push or shove on the tracks happen so fast other than get someone off the tracks not much can be done.
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Dangerous being homeless these days......
 
Pepper said:
When my subway station FINALLY completes its elevator, it has been 2 years with no end in sight, I will be using the trains again. My immediate neighborhood has boring stores. If I have the guts, I will eventually tour the places of my past; that will require longer trips, and maybe even changing trains. I'm anxious to ride the trains for personal freedom.

I will be afraid, but since I'm afraid of everything anyway it won't be unexpected. Maybe it's just a dream of mine...........
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I'm curious, Pepper. Does your subway station not have an escalator? Or are you unable to use escalators for some reason? Usually we have both, although the escalators are frequently out of order.
 
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It was in 1984 that I travelled down on Amtrak from Montreal, making my one and only visit to NYC. Someone across the aisle in that train car heard me say I was from western Canada, so he shared some friendly advice. He warned not to stand near the tracks if I took the city's subway. At certain stations, nutcases were occasionally running along and pushing people onto the tracks just before a train came to a stop.

Thankfully, I wasn't involved in any incident on city transportation, and didn't witness one.

It was later that I learned this was a time when mentally ill folks had been turned out of institutional residency in the city. That action followed the reasoning of Dr Thomas Szasz and other psychiatrists who claimed society had no right to incarcerate persons who had not been convicted of committing a crime. I suppose it was pretty tough for some, being unemployable and desperate.
 
It's wise to stay alert, of your surroundings and avoid obvious hazards.
One may choose to drive 30 miles on Icy / Snow packed snowstorm roads and ruin their life.

Watching for the game changer is an obvious status marker.

Most CCL license owners know the law and the ramifications & ID the situation carefully.
The Camera / especially video is the best evidence. Most all homeowners have front door
cameras and recorded events are there. Some State have hold your ground laws to protect the innocent.
Gang rules, Bullying are rampant in most large City / Buro areas too. Alert to news and events works well.
 
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Being cautious & aware in NYC is second nature to me. It's just something you learn through osmosis. Native NYer, born & raised. When my station's elevator is ready so am I. As my people say 'G-d Willing.'
 
Pepper said:
When my subway station FINALLY completes its elevator, it has been 2 years with no end in sight, I will be using the trains again. My immediate neighborhood has boring stores. If I have the guts, I will eventually tour the places of my past; that will require longer trips, and maybe even changing trains. I'm anxious to ride the trains for personal freedom.

I will be afraid, but since I'm afraid of everything anyway it won't be unexpected. Maybe it's just a dream of mine...........
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I hope that when you do you'll remain safe. You couldn't pay me to take the subway now. There would have to be a dire emergency involving my son or grandchildren. Even then, I'd likely just Uber it...yes from N.J. Decades ago, I took the subway to go to Jazzmobile in Harlem until a co-worker told me that I could take the bus across the GWB, which was actually easier.

@Naturally, I never understood why people felt they had to stand so close to the tracks. Too bad it took these tragedies to instill some common sense. It's a shame that there are such evil, or maybe just demented people in the world who's actions endanger others.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I hope that when you do you'll remain safe. You couldn't pay me to take the subway now. There would have to be a dire emergency involving my son or grandchildren. Even then, I'd likely just Uber it...yes from N.J. Decades ago, I took the subway to go to Jazzmobile in Harlem until a co-worker told me that I could take the bus across the GWB, which was actually easier.

@Naturally, I never understood why people felt they had to stand so close to the tracks. Too bad it took these tragedies to instill some common sense. It's a shame that there are such evil, or maybe just demented people in the world who's actions endanger others.
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The well-meaning person warning me, described in post #15, definitely clued me about standing close. Of course, I don't know that I even would have stood close, without that warning. But consider that some people come from a place and cultural background far different from that of NYC-area residents. A lot of people from elsewhere do visit the city. Being about to take the subway for the first time may seem so novel that it evokes wide-eyed curiosity... the occasional someone might stand near the tracks just to get a frontal view of the subway coming in for the stop.

After all, people visiting from outside of my region sometimes do silly things around bears or a moose that we residents would never do.
 
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The well-meaning person warning me, described in post #15, definitely clued me about standing close. Of course, I don't know that I even would have stood close, without that warning. But consider that some people come from a place and cultural background far different from that of NYC-area residents. A lot of people from elsewhere do visit the city. Being about to take the subway for the first time may seem so novel that it evokes wide-eyed curiosity... the occasional someone might stand near the tracks just to get a frontal view of the subway coming in for the stop.

After all, people visiting from outside of my region sometimes do silly things around bears or a moose that we residents would never do.
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One thing I learned about going to NYC or any big city...don't act like a wide eyed tourist. Anyone doing their homework on places they plan to visit should have seen that advice. Tourists, thought to have money and other "stealable" items are easy targets if not vigilant and careful. And so are natives for that matter. One should always be aware of surroundings and with today's crazy happenings, stay a safe distance from vehicles, trains and even strange looking or strange acting people.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
One thing I learned about going to NYC or any big city...don't act like a wide eyed tourist. Anyone doing their homework on places they plan to visit should have seen that advice. Tourists, thought to have money and other "stealable" items are easy targets if not vigilant and careful. And so are natives for that matter. One should always be aware of surroundings and with today's crazy happenings, stay a safe distance from vehicles, trains and even strange looking or strange acting people.
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As regards people intending to visit large American cities, I think the capability of visitors from distant places to be informed and wary of pitfalls has bolted upward in recent years. An internet didn't exist for most people back in the mid '80s when I visited. Even guidebooks back then rarely mentioned dangerous areas or situations. It's now possible to effectively investigate countless facets of big American cities, and many other places in the world. With minuscule effort.

I've travelled a lot since my trip the NYC, over a sizable area of the Earth, without problems. Rick Steves' modern guidebooks help, even beyond what's easy to get from the internet.
 
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Pepper said:
When my subway station FINALLY completes its elevator, it has been 2 years with no end in sight, I will be using the trains again. My immediate neighborhood has boring stores. If I have the guts, I will eventually tour the places of my past; that will require longer trips, and maybe even changing trains. I'm anxious to ride the trains for personal freedom.

I will be afraid, but since I'm afraid of everything anyway it won't be unexpected. Maybe it's just a dream of mine...........
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When I lived in NYC in the 1970's and 1980's, I was never afraid to ride the trains. I was careful though, especially at night. One time I was waiting on the platform for a train. A mob of about 10-20 teenagers got on the train I was waiting for. I had a feeling that they were up to no good by the look on their faces. So I waited for the next train.
 

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