Paul Whelan.

IKE

IKE

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First off just to be clear I'm in no way suggesting that Paul Whelan or any American citizen be left in Russia but I was sent these articles and thought that I'd pass them along.

Apparently he was drummed out of the Marines, held multiple passports from different countries and IMO was / is not what you'd call a model U.S. citizen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whelan_(security_director)


https://www.reuters.com/world/paul-whelan-ex-us-marine-jailed-russia-spying-charges-2022-12-08/

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Yes, I've also read many things about this person. He didn't appear to be a good citizen or marine. I also want to see all Americans returned home who are being held in places like Russia, but you can't ignore his crimes. That is why he wasn't such an easy deal as Griner was, who just carelessly had some cannabis oil on her person and meant no real harm to anyone or commited any serious crimes. No comparison between the two, and I'm very happy Griner is back home with her family.
 

IKE said:
First off just to be clear I'm in no way suggesting that Paul Whelan or any American citizen be left in Russia but I was sent these articles and thought that I'd pass them along.

Apparently he was drummed out of the Marines, held multiple passports from different countries and IMO was / is not what you'd call a model U.S. citizen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whelan_(security_director)


https://www.reuters.com/world/paul-whelan-ex-us-marine-jailed-russia-spying-charges-2022-12-08/

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My daughter was speculating about this yesterday--in particular the fact he was referred to as a 'former' Marine. Anyone who knows Marines knows that phrasing is generally reserved for those who left the service less than honorably. "Once a Marine, always a Marine" is part of their credo. Thank you for posting the articles, think i'll forward to her.
 
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feywon said:
My daughter was speculating about this yesterday--in particular the fact he was referred to as a 'former' Marine. Anyone who knows Marines knows that phrasing is generally reserved for those who left the service less than honorably. "Once a Marine, always a Marine" is part of their credo. Thank you for posting the articles, think i'll forward to her.

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Maybe yes maybe no, I have no idea what other people's approaches are.. but I do know I wasn't familiar with that approach til someone online pointed it out only a few years ago.
 
He served his country well in the Mid East, but then made some bad choices, which he eventually paid a price for doing. I am just a bit skeptical of his flash drive story, but that’s not for me to figure out. The only comment that I would make about the story is if he knew it was loaded with classified information, why would you carry it around in your pocket? However, his story of believing it was loaded with pictures from the wedding, I don’t know if that’s the truth or not.
 
Funny how the MSM hasn't exposed the real Paul Whelan. What gives? Perhaps they feel that his shady background including a dishonorable discharge from the Marines is irrelevant, but our tax dollars are being used to try to secure his release, so we have a right to know.
 
feywon said:
My daughter was speculating about this yesterday--in particular the fact he was referred to as a 'former' Marine. Anyone who knows Marines knows that phrasing is generally reserved for those who left the service less than honorably. "Once a Marine, always a Marine" is part of their credo. Thank you for posting the articles, think i'll forward to her.
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All Marines who have served the U.S. and are Honorably Discharged are referred to as a Former Marine.

It is proper and respectful to address our Marines this way. It is by no means a derogatory term.

My husband is a Former Marine as were many of the men that I worked with over the years.

Further, serving in any of the armed forces of this country gives you American citizenship.
 
Lilac said:
All Marines who have served the U.S. and are Honorably Discharged are referred to as a Former Marine.

It is proper and respectful to address our Marines this way. It is by no means a derogatory term.

My husband is a Former Marine as were many of the men that I worked with over the years.

Further, serving in any of the armed forces of this country gives you American citizenship.
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If you say so, not what I've heard, but i i could be wrong. I'll keep that in mind.
 
feywon said:
My daughter was speculating about this yesterday--in particular the fact he was referred to as a 'former' Marine. Anyone who knows Marines knows that phrasing is generally reserved for those who left the service less than honorably. "Once a Marine, always a Marine" is part of their credo. Thank you for posting the articles, think i'll forward to her.
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He held a Canadian passport because he was born HERE. He has citizenship in 4 countries. Canada by birth. United Kingdom by descent ( both of his Parents were UK citizens ) the USA by virtue of his USMC service, and in the Irish Republic. Nothing unusual at all about that. I hold 4 citizens hips. Canada by birth, UK by descent from my Mum, Irish Republic by descent from my Dad, and The Bahamas, by marriage to my Wife, who was born there in Nassau. JImB.
 
jimintoronto said:
He held a Canadian passport because he was born HERE. He has citizenship in 4 countries. Canada by birth. United Kingdom by descent ( both of his Parents were UK citizens ) the USA by virtue of his USMC service, and in the Irish Republic. Nothing unusual at all about that. I hold 4 citizens hips. Canada by birth, UK by descent from my Mum, Irish Republic by descent from my Dad, and The Bahamas, by marriage to my Wife, who was born there in Nassau. JImB.
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Thanks for the info i wasn't aware it was that common.
 
I believe we should try to have Paul Whelan returned to the USA just like any citizen that we try to have returned to the USA. As far as prisoner swaps, I believe the Police, FBI, CIA and all agencies should receive commendations for what they did in the first place to put the criminals behind bars and see them released again to go back to their lives of crimes.
 
Bottom line, Whelan is still behind bars in a Russian prison.

The phrase, "No man left behind" comes to mind. Deservedly or not, DoS should make dedicated efforts to secure his transfer back to the U.S. We take care of our own. It's the right thing to do.

Having said that, if Whelan indeed holds citizenship in multiple countries, perhaps one of the other could intercede and effect a release? Where U.S. diplomatic efforts fall short, perhaps another's could prevail?
 
Don M. said:
If a person is going to travel to another country, it is Their responsibility to learn the rules of that nation, and Obey them.
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I seem to recall an old show, STTNG I believe, where some of the crew visit a previously unknown planet.....they're walking around happily and, (IIRC), the youngest member steps over a low rail onto the grass to retrieve something......death penalty on that planet.

Sure, some things are/appear to be fairly obvious but every country has a multitude of lawyers....none of whom know all the laws/regulations.
 

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