People have to start paying their student loans back next week

You may be surprised how many don't have the requirement for a degree, even large departments, when you apply.

If you have someone that does have one, usually it because they went to a 2-year college between high school & the academy. Some may get a 2-yr degree after they've passed their probation period as an officer & will get tuition reimbursement after paying up front. Usually they have to earn a certain grade & stay in the employment of that department for a certain period of time after the reimbursement. If they leave prior to that time, they have to pay their tuition back.
 

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Alot of B.S. here. Many have jobs, the loans are part of the deal.
Employers like happy employees who feel well employed.

Let's just wait a bit. The Donalds full of it. Nothing gonna change.
DOGE will cost taxpayers tons more. More $$$$$$$$$$ and it's just more Cappola.
If it wasn't b.s.it wouldn't be such a big deal of fart smells this spring.

Musk runs back to Tesla / X and good riddance when he leaves for Mars.
Only crazy want to leave earth for extended lives on the MOON or Mars or whatever.
Maybe he will take his 20 kids to drive him completely nuts there too.

Such a awful drag, sitting on - a - his own fart cloud in a tiny room, watching the Earths clouds
from a couple hundreds of miles in space all day. But they look so nice from the ground.
Heck, I went to college and 4 years of Night School under my Jobs offering hiring opportunities 60 / 50 years ago.
 
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papa tiger said:
Alot of B.S. here. Many have jobs, the loans are part of the deal.
Employers like happy employees who feel well employed.

Let's just wait a bit. The Donalds full of it. Nothing gonna change.
DOGE will cost taxpayers tons more. More $$$$$$$$$$ and it's just more Cappola.
If it wasn't b.s.it wouldn't be such a big deal of fart smells this spring.

Musk runs back to Tesla / X and good riddance when he leaves for Mars.
Only crazy want to leave earth for extended lives on the MOON or Mars or whatever.
Maybe he will take his 20 kids to drive him completely nuts there too.

Such a awful drag, sitting on - a - his own fart cloud in a tiny room, watching the Earths clouds
from a couple hundreds of miles in space all day. But they look so nice from the ground.
Heck, I went to college and 4 years of Night School under my Jobs offering hiring opportunities 60 / 50 years ago.
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Are you naming names of political figures? Commenting on his politics?
 

Rich said:
Taxpayers pay for elementary and high school education, why not make college education an extension of that?
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I'll tell you why. I'll be g-d d--ned to have my taxes pay for some snot nosed kid's 80 k per year tuition to study about the horrors of white settler colonialism, gender studies or the other crap they dose college students with these days. That's why.
 
Trade said:
If the only reason you are going to college is to get a marketable skill in order to use it to make money you are missing the main point which is to learn to think critically.
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Used to be. Critical thinking is frowned upon in many universities these days--especially in the humanities and social sciences--and isn't much use in today's high tech world.
 
Irishdude said:
I'll tell you why. I'll be g-d d--ned to have my taxes pay for some snot nosed kid's 80 k per year tuition to study about the horrors of white settler colonialism, gender studies or the other crap they dose college students with these days. That's why.
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I certainly would want my children to understand the horrors of white colonisation - denying that seems presenting a one sided view of history and ignoring the impact on indiginous populations
Not sure what your problem is with gender studies or exactly what you mean by that.

However the principle of subsidising tertiary education doesn't depend on whether we agree with the curriculum or the subject matter - subsidising isnt ok or not depending on whether the teaching suits my narrative
 
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I certainly would want my children to understand the horrors of white colonisation - denying that seems presenting a one sided view of history and ignoring the impact on indiginous populations
Not sure what your problem is with gender studies or exactly what you mean by that.

However the principle of subsidizing tertiary education doesn't depend on whether we agree with the curriculum or the subject matter - subsidising isnt ok or not depending on whether the teaching suits my narrative
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Sure you can point out all your hero's to them. Cringe when you really know thar facts, mostly greed. If I am wrong I salute u for having true hero's but I doubt that.! Is ok! ..... ..... :coffee: ...
 
papa tiger - above post is another example of a time you have quoted me to say something but I have no idea what point you are making
 
Irishdude said:
I'll tell you why. I'll be g-d d--ned to have my taxes pay for some snot nosed kid's 80 k per year tuition to study about the horrors of white settler colonialism, gender studies or the other crap they dose college students with these days. That's why.
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I understand, I feel the same about about giving billionaires tax cuts.
 
January said:
I certainly would want my children to understand the horrors of white colonisation - denying that seems presenting a one sided view of history and ignoring the impact on indiginous populations
Not sure what your problem is with gender studies or exactly what you mean by that.

However the principle of subsidising tertiary education doesn't depend on whether we agree with the curriculum or the subject matter - subsidising isnt ok or not depending on whether the teaching suits my narrative
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I disagree with you, but we are not going to be able to communicate with other.
 
JustDave said:
Are these kids complaining about having to pay off their loans? Or are we just assuming they are?
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Twostep said:
They are - loudly and Cleary and comparing notes on how not to pay anything back.
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I've been unaware of any of that. I'm just not on top of everything. In that case, I wish them luck, but not to get their hopes up. When you take out a loan, you sign an agreement to pay it back. That is pretty fundamental. However, the government does often make exceptions for people, and I can understand a movement to change the rules. Government does change the rules, but only for people it considers more important.
 
Irishdude said:
I'm old fashioned and think that if you took out a loan, you ought to pay it back. I'm sure others here think differently, however.
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I have a wider question. Is society a mass of the lowest common denominator, or is it led by the most educated among us? As a working man, and working class, I have tried to elevate others. As an instructor (which I did for two years) I tried to impart knowledge that would progress others. I didn't prescribe how they would elevate, because we're all individuals. But I tried to teach in a way they both explained the next step, and covered next steps. I didn't exactly know what those next steps were.

So, in order to progress civilization, education is essential. To what level should society, generally, pay for such progress, and what level should individuals pay? Because, poor people can't afford it, without going into mountains of financial debt.
 
It seems, IMO, that college has become another way to scam people out of their money. You hear that the only way to get ahead is to get a college degree.

In certain professions you do need a degree for jobs like the medical fields, attorneys, engineering, the sciences & etc.

If I was an employer looking at a resume & I would look at they spent their money on at college. Was it for real job & the needed skills to do
it - or- was it something they could skate through just by showing up to class in order to get their name on a sheet of paper?

Who do you think between the two has be better potential be the better employee with the information you had been handed?
 
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To me it's a question of whether you want to invest in the future of your nation, or not. We should educate by default. Making people responsible for 6 figure sums to get qualifications to nurse us is...... problematic.
 
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