People That Commit Suicide

Call me pedantic as I have issues with the language used here. Suicide is, in many jurisdictions, no longer a criminal act so the term 'commited' is inappropriate and perpetuates the stigma attached to suicide.
I also have issues with the term assisted suicide, voluntary assisted dieing or euthanasia sit more comfortably with me.
I engaged with this thread because I have a long term interest in the subject and I believe that my father took his own life at a time when it was an illegal act.
Some of you may remember that I have a retirement career in mental health. Suicide prevention is a subject I'm especially interested in as a community mental health worker.
Please consider the language you use when talking about suicide and please keep talking about it as openly as can.
 

Rakaia said:
Call me pedantic as I have issues with the language used here. Suicide is, in many jurisdictions, no longer a criminal act so the term 'commited' is inappropriate and perpetuates the stigma attached to suicide.
I also have issues with the term assisted suicide, voluntary assisted dieing or euthanasia sit more comfortably with me.
I engaged with this thread because I have a long term interest in the subject and I believe that my father took his own life at a time when it was an illegal act.
Some of you may remember that I have a retirement career in mental health. Suicide prevention is a subject I'm especially interested in as a community mental health worker.
Please consider the language you use when talking about suicide and please keep talking about it as openly as can.
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Assisted suicide is the common term but your point is a good one
 

CallMeKate said:
Red flag in my head right now. I don't know you, so I'm sorry if I'm out of line, but do you need to talk to someone? Do you have a hotline number?
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Edited to remove partisan politics.

No. I am not crazy and I'm not suicidal. What I meant to say is I will leave this life at a time of my own choosing. Has more to do with mounting chronic pain and my fervent desire to not endure the US much longer. For an old Berkeley Commie like me, living in the US in 2024 is torture.

Linda and I are looking at overseas options for retirement when she reaches that age. Panama and Portugal both look good to us. I like the thought of Portugal, same climate as the Bay Area, and good trout fishing.

What's not to like?
 
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DaiwaGuy said:
No. I am not crazy and I'm not suicidal. What I meant to say is I will leave this life at a time of my own choosing. Has more to do with mounting chronic pain and my fervent desire to not endure another four years of trump. Next election will be an important day for me, because if trump is re-elected, I am GONE!!!

I have no desire to endure another four years of Nazi America. Trump is pure evil (and no I won't debate any of you about it) and I refuse to endure him again.
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Okay... well I had to ask. There was a time 14 years ago that I didn't. :cry: As far as the rest of your post, partisan American politics is off limits for discussion here.
 
Just read this now mature thread for the first time. Was interested in how members might post. Predictably, many always see sui as a mental health issue in which individuals can be talked out of it. Always disagreed with that narrow narrative although it is true for most. None of my relatives have sui and not only have I never ever thought about it but rather value life and existence immensely. But I do understand why some others choose it.

As someone that has lived in Counterculture where I've known people that have used drugs from A to Z, it is obvious those that habitually use depressant downers including alcohol are more likely to have that orientation. Others are atheists where sui is not considered a moral evil thus are more likely to consider it. Some develop such physical pains from ailments, day to day life becomes painful without hope.

Life is not fair. Some are dealt really bad cards from birth, like those living in poor third world countries and now that anyone can see how others in the Western World live by watching TV are of course envious. Worse are those born with serious genetic defects. Some develop serious physical issues that severely limit with certainty forever forward whatever worthwhile goals they had in life. Others abuse their bodies into a state where they understand they'll never attain what they want while feeling guilty about their actions so punish themselves.

Others by their own choice have filled their minds and actions with evil, filthy, disgusting experiences and or thoughts so may at some point understand with guilt and shame, what they have done. That is particularly the case with those that have hurt others they value. Many build their lives around an endless pursuit of $$$ and materials and when such crashes, the have-nots have nowhere to go.

The way our Earth creature animal brains work via neural plasticity, we are what we do and experience including what a person fantasizes within their secret lives. Feed it with negatives and one reaps the same. I expect given human overpopulation in this telecom age, the growing wealth gap, and increasing use of drugs, increasing numbers of hopeless will unfortunately choose to take their own potentially precious lives.
 
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David777 said:
NO. I won't be baited into your sand box.
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Look, man, if you're going to make accusations like that, you better be able to specify what you mean and since you refuse, I have no choice but to block you, because I find your puritan ethic offensive, and I refuse to give it credence.
 
DaiwaGuy said:
Edited to remove partisan politics.

No. I am not crazy and I'm not suicidal. What I meant to say is I will leave this life at a time of my own choosing. Has more to do with mounting chronic pain and my fervent desire to not endure the US much longer. For an old Berkeley Commie like me, living in the US in 2024 is torture.

Linda and I are looking at overseas options for retirement when she reaches that age. Panama and Portugal both look good to us. I like the thought of Portugal, same climate as the Bay Area, and good trout fishing.

What's not to like?
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it's extremely hilly in Portugal...it's less hilly in Southern Spain
 
Rakaia said:
Call me pedantic as I have issues with the language used here. Suicide is, in many jurisdictions, no longer a criminal act so the term 'commited' is inappropriate and perpetuates the stigma attached to suicide.
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To commit, as a verb, is not restricted to performing an illegal act. The OED also lists 'mistake' and 'immoral act' as examples of committed acts.
Would simply using a different term make much difference?
 
DaiwaGuy said:
Linda and I are looking at overseas options for retirement when she reaches that age. Panama and Portugal both look good to us. I like the thought of Portugal, same climate as the Bay Area, and good trout fishing.

What's not to like?
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I like Portugal although many Brits seem to think of Portugal only as 'The Algarve'. In the same way, I think many Brits also think of the USA as Disneyland :LOL:
I've avoided the tourist areas of the Algarve (southern Portugal) and prefer the northern area around the Duoro valley and the capital, Lisbon. Admittedly, I'm attracted by the seafood, port and wine.🍷🍷 As a visitor, you don't get to really know the country, so I can't say what it would be like to live there.
 
Capt Lightning said:
Would simply using a different term make much difference?
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To some people yes it makes a lot of difference.
I engaged with this thread because when my father took his own life in the 1950s I believe that he committed an offence.
I actively discourage such language and I'm reluctantly continuing to engage in this thread.
 

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